100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:29 pm
Subject: 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, anil kanhaua
>
> Dear Jagbir and All,
>
> Jai shri Mataji !!!
>
> Its true that we must be away from rituals and conditionings and
> must leave all to mother kundalini that is inside us for all sort
> of required nourishment. Also, unless one has some specific
> problem of critical nature, then only he / she may be advised to
> follow certain rituals for some time and stop that as soon as he /
> she starts feeling better so as to avoid to be conditioned with
> that ritual. All these techniques, viz, lemon-chillies, matka
> treatment, ice pack......etc are to be avoided on regular basis as
> these all are nothing but leading us towards conditionings again.
> But, despite this fact, I have heard mother saying in some of her
> speeches, very clearly, that sahaja yogies must be away from
> various rituals and conditionings but they must follow TWO
> conditioning for their LIFETIME, daily meditation and daily foot
> soaking. Can anybody explain this why mother told this. Is it not
> good to do foot soaking on daily basis. What is harm in it and
> what are advantages. I think that valuable comments of the members
> will definitely help.
>
> Warm regards !
> Anil
>
Dear Anil and all.
i am absolutely sure that Shri Mataji never wanted footsoaking to be
a daily ritual. It makes no sense to do mechanical footsoaking, just
for the sake of footsoaking, when there is nothing wrong with us. i
know Hindus love rituals and even in Sahaja Yoga want to indulge in
them and just can't get rid of this conditioning. The ceaseless
chatter of catches and cures thus satisfies the need for external
rituals. SYs have cures for every sniff, cough or hiccup and
footsoaking is the mother of all cures. They just cannot/do not
have faith that the Mother Kundalini, which gave them the priceless
Self-realization, can heal such petty problems. For them only
footsoaking is the cure all. This is an insult to the greatest power
residing within themselves. i just cannot understand why SYs have
more confidence in salted water than the Shakti within.
i am 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily
ritual. Perhaps She meant that if you have problems then footsoak
daily but for their LIFETIME!!!??? It just make no sense. This is
the first time i am hearing that Shri Mataji said such a thing. i
have heard so many speeches but never "for their LIFETIME". On the
contrary, i have heard Her lamenting on SYs footsoaking for years,
asking what the point of doing Sahaja Yoga if you still need to
footsoak. i too heard this speech clearly and was really relieved.
So the "for their LIFETIME" is just not true.
Just like the innovative cures for 1001 catches, footsoaking has now
acquired status symbol. Of course that wonder cure is recommended ...
by Grade One masters teaching kindergarten kids. Is it not good to
do foot soaking on daily basis? NO! What is harm in it and what are
advantages? There is no harm if done daily. Neither is there any
benefit UNLESS you are having problems. If there is no benefit why
perform an empty mechanical ritual? And if there is nothing wrong
then isn't daily footsoaking just an unnecessary and conditioning
ritual. (i know how long it took my spouse to rid herself of that
ritualistic conditioning imposed by ignorant SYs, whom we thought
were enlightened.)
i have always said - Do not force your external rituals and
conditioning onto others. Let others learn how to use their own
healing powers. Allow them to grow spiritually from within. Stop
engaging them in external rituals. Why keep them at your level?
If footsoaking is good for you just continue but do not spread
avidya to others. Just read one of the last puja speeches by Shri
Mataji in November 2002 and tell me why She never said a single word
on footsoaking. Why She kept on insisting on meditation, meditation
and meditation? How many posts will it take for footsoaking
conditioned SYs to stop insisting and infecting others with this
ritualistic conditioning?
Last, but not the least, what has footsoaking got to do with
becoming thoughtless, catchless, learning "I am Brahman" and moksa?
Why are so many SYs yet so far from true enlightenment and still
trying to heal their 'catches' despite hundreds of footsoaks? Why do
so many of them require daily cleansing rituals despite years of
footsoaking? Will SYs ever get well? Will they ever be catch-free?
Why then advertise Sahaja Yoga brings health benefits when the
opposite is true, since daily footsoaking is required to heal? What
are all these mysterious infectious diseases that plague so many
collectives? Are SYs infected and especially favored by these pesky
invisible bhoots? Is this what SYs are offering to seekers (and
wondering why so many flee instantly)?
Am i safe because i quit the ceaseless chatter of catches and cures
years ago? Or did my Mother Kundalini made me immune from all that
ails the kindergarten kids and their Grade One teachers? Am i glad
to quickly learn how to be my own master?
jagbir
"Have faith that the Divine will give you the light, will guide your
path, will take you to the right place, to do the right thing....
We are collective, we are nice to each other, we don't tell lies, we
don't try to destroy anyone. That means we are much above human
failings and this is only because of the light. You can see where
you are faltering. It's just you see for yourself. For that, I think
meditation is the most important thing.
Every day you should do meditation. Those who do not do meditation
are capable of falling down because meditation is like putting oil
into the lamp. Those who do not meditate, think they can do without
it, are sadly mistaken. They have to meditate morning and evening.
The problem is everything comes so handily, so simple that they
don't understand that meditation is very important.
Not you, but there are many I know who get Realization, who don't
meditate and their style is different. Their nature is different.
Meditation is such a soothing thing ... a beautiful way of
connection with the Divine, that all your problems get solved in
that meditative moment.
If you are not meditating, you are not following meditation, then
maybe your light will go down. It won't give sufficient light. It's
important, very important to find out about yourself, about others
in the meditation.
How to do meditation, many people ask. Don't do anything, just go
into thoughtless awareness. Try to go to the thoughtless awareness.
If you can get into that condition of thoughtless awareness, you can
do your job because that's the point where you are with the truth,
with the reality, with the joy.
When you meditate try not to make some sort of a function out of it -
no. Meditation is something silent in yourself, silence in your
thoughts and going to that deep ocean which is within you, itself.
But supposing you don't do that, if you don't meditate I can make
out immediately those who are meditating and those who are not. It's
not difficult for Me.
Those who do not meditate are always hesitating. They are confused.
They can't understand. And that's why meditation is the most
important thing.
Just like a light burns with the electricity flowing in it, in the
same way meditation is a continuous availability of the Divine
Force. That will reduce all your agitations. Not only that, but it
takes out all the negative thoughts. It takes out all the
discouraging things. And when you are meditating like that,
thoughtless awareness, then you will be amazed how you are helped
from within and without. It's a terrible power that works, this
thoughtless awareness.
So those who do not meditate cannot go very much far with the
advantage of Sahaj Yoga. If you are in thoughtless awareness, what
happens to you is that you get the confidence, complete confidence
of divinity. You know you have it.
Meditation will give you security.... It will give you are a real
enlightenment and a complete connection with the Divine. Without the
connection of the Divine, what's the use of doing Sahaj Yog?...
I've talked so much about meditation before, but today when I see
all these candles burning, I think they are all meditating. They are
all in meditation and that's how they're growing. In the same way,
Sahaja Yogis who meditate, I know. And those who don't, I know. And
if they have problems, I know why the problems are there.
It's very important to become thoughtlessly aware because then there
are no thoughts coming from the left or the right, from the [past]
or the future. Just in the present you are there. It's something you
all have. It's not that I'm saying that to you, but all of you have
this, but steady yourself. You have to steady yourself at
thoughtless awareness. How long - that's not the point. The point is
once you've touched it, you'll go on touching it.... It is always
described in all the great books, but not so clearly as I am telling
you.
Even for a second, if you get it, it's a very good idea. Then you go
on increasing that second. I think it's a reflecting mind. When you
look at something, you can become thoughtlessly aware and then your
mind deflects to the depth of what you see. That's how you all will
become really very creative Sahaja Yogis.
Many people are here who will say, 'Mother, we don't get that
state.' Try. Try that. I don't believe you cannot get it. All of you
can get that thought that 'I can get it.' And you will get it. In
that, you don't have to discard anything, you don't have to see
anything, just go into meditation and you will be amazed how it will
work out. Of course, you are very much there, most of you, but
still, I would say, increase that thoughtless awareness, that area.
So today's message is that while you are meditating, go into
thoughtless awareness. No thought is important because it's your own
creation. But if you have to become one with the Divine creation,
you have to get to that state of thoughtless awareness, minimum of
minimum. And that comes to you gradually if you grow and you'll be
amazed how you'll be able to grow into Sahaja Yoga in a very big way."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Diwali Puja, November 2, 2002, Los Angeles, USA
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "semirafields"
wrote:
>
> Dear Jagbir,
>
> Please can you (or others) explain what the purpose of footsoaking
> is, and what its effects are, and why it has these effects.
> Thanks, Semira
>
>
Dear Semira, Anil and rest,
All external rituals are placebos in disguise but are required till spiritual
maturity enables them to throw away these crutches. Millions seeks the Divine in Christian icons, Hindu idols or Buddhist statues. It is hard to convince them that the Divine is within themselves and not in these man-made figurines. Centuries-old conditioning is very difficult to eradicate.
i want to ask all Buddhists these questions - On whom was Shri Buddha meditating when He achieved enlightenment? Why can't they too find enlightenment from within, just like Him? Why is His statue necessary? The answer is that the external placebo is required, not that they know it is just that. And even if they are explained that the statue is actually a placebo their conditioning will always crave for the conviction and sense of security it instills in them. The placebo is needed at all times to sustain their faith.
Footsoaking, chillies, matka, string-burning and other treatments are placebos that help to invoke what really matters and helps - attention on problem, meditation, chanting of mantras and the consciousness of being healed. The lemon or chilly does nothing but initiate a process that eventually actually helps - attention on problem, meditation, chanting of mantras and the consciousness of being healed. Lemons and chillies are thus placebos that help sustain the novice till he/she is established in Sahaja Yoga. All those treatments and time spent learning them does wonders in sustaining the interest and faith of newcomers. The same goes for each and every treatment and external ritual in Sahaja Yoga - they are all placebos required at the kindergarten level.
But instead of throwing away these external crutches after a few months SYs have, horror of horrors, made cleansing techniques into permanent life-long plaster of Paris replacements. They have turned placebos into miracles cures and entire collectives are turned into spiritual camps requiring compulsory cleansing and clearing. Instead of realizing what really heals - like meditation, thoughtless awareness, and attention - they want you to believe it is the salt in the water or the capsaicin in the chillies that cures. They will use all sorts of reasoning and persuasion to toe the official line that has made cleansing rituals into untouchable sacred cows of Sahaja Yoga. Who then is going to tell them that being thoughtless, meditating daily and just paying attention to problems is the power that heals, nourishes and sustains our spiritual growth?
But these SYs have failed to realize, and it is important that this fact is
properly understood, that cleansing rituals become mechanical over time. Daily repetition dulls the mind and the all-important Consciousness fades away. Using lemons and chillies is just like popping pills. Less and less attention (Consciousness) is applied to this mechanical routine. (Even meditation can sometimes become a routine with neither "Awareness" nor "Thoughtlessness". i know this is common.) Since it is the Consciousness and Attention, not the lemon or chilly, that cures/heals most SYs remain 'sick' with catches. And the longer it takes to heal the more fanatical is the need for treatments. There is neither genuine healing nor escape from this vicious circle as over time it only gets
more mechanical and devoid of the all-important Consciousness that treatments were supposed to induce in the first place. SYs just keep on taking more placebos or stronger doses in a search for cures for these ceaseless catches.
The placebos of chillies and lemons are now firmly entrenched in the collective psyche. That is why the ceaseless chatter of catches and cures will dominate all brain-storming sessions at collectives, and reason to get together at week-ends. You just need to keep on clearing because these catches just keep on returning week after week, month after month, year after year and decade after decade.
Ever wonder why placebos for diseases are yet to be recommended by doctors despite studies that some patients are conned and healed by them? Actually the said patients were healed by the consciousness of the placebo-effect of being healed. Don't chillies and lemons induce the same healing consciousness in SYs? Why can't they take a giant spiritual leap and attain that Consciousness, instead of using placebos to induce it?
the answer, my friends, is blowing in the wind,
jagbir
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh"
>
> But these SYs have failed to realize, and it is important that
> this fact is properly understood, that cleansing rituals become
> mechanical over time. Daily repetition dulls the mind and the all-
> important Consciousness fades away. Using lemons and chillies is
> just like popping pills. Less and less attention (Consciousness)
> is applied to this mechanical routine. (Even meditation can
> sometimes become a routine with neither "Awareness"
> nor "Thoughtlessness". i know this is common.) Since it is the
> Consciousness and Attention, not the lemon or chilly, that
> cures/heals most SYs remain `sick' with catches. And the longer it
> takes to heal the more fanatical is the need for treatments. There
> is neither genuine healing nor escape from this vicious circle as
> over time it only gets more mechanical and devoid of the all-
> important Consciousness that treatments were supposed to induce in
> the first place. SYs just keep on taking more placebos or stronger
> doses in a search for cures for these ceaseless catches.
>
> The placebos of chillies and lemons are now firmly entrenched in
> the collective psyche. That is why the ceaseless chatter of
> catches and cures will dominate all brain-storming sessions at
> collectives, and reason to get together at week-ends. You just
> need to keep on clearing because these catches just keep on
> returning week after week, month after month, year after year and
> decade after decade.
>
i have come across many SYs obsessed with clearing day and night. It
is disturbing to see a SY carrying a ice-pack for years or his wife
daily shoe-beating invisible negativity at the doorstep. Then there
are those who carry lemons and chillies with them, or request
clearing at weekly meditations (or check my vibrations on this
forum). Just seeing SYs clearing catches and working on each other
month and month, year after year made me venerable and conscious of
their 'diseases'. This collective atmosphere made me feel that we
are all 'sick' and polluted by the negativity, and need to clear,
clear, clear all the time. Even the food, books, movies, clothes,
places, places of worship and what not is cause for clearing.
My wife later admitted that she was actually tensed-up when SYs came
for their weekly meditations or pujas at my place (for 5 years). How
will you feel if normal tea or chicken curry or milk (or ...) is
against a healthy subtle system? It was an endless lesson in the
goodness of halal culinary habits/dress code/movie ratings/book
reviews/and what not. There were 1001 ways to catch a catch or
pollute the vibrations or mess up the subtle system. The mantra was
always clear, clear, clear, footsoak, footsoak, footsoak, chillies,
chillies, chillies, lemons, lemo, le ...... (i am getting tired of
tapping the keyboard). Where was the joy of being the eternal spirit
or the conviction of taking part in the Last Judgment or the
conversations of Her Divine Message? The consciousness was always
about catches, clearing and cures.
i wonder if they know that the thoughtless state, Nirvikalpa samadhi
and knowledge of "Aham Brahmasmi" is absolutely necessary for moksa.
Shri Mataji never claimed that good vibrations will liberate. Yet
SYs work day and night clearing. What is the nature of this
mysterious negativity that needs a lifetime of clearing? If so much
time and effort is daily used to clear when will they start
attaining the Consciousness that matters most? Why has clearing
taken precedence over attaining the thoughtless state, Nirvikalpa
Samadhi and Knowledge of Brahman? Who ever said that having good
vibrations is going to give you moksa?
i have copied Semira's reply to a "Rules of Ashram" rule that is
applicable for those SYs wishing to stay there. The questions and
criticism raised is relevant to my assertion that i am 100% sure
Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual. It also
confirms why few seekers are interested in Sahaja Yoga. As i have
always maintained, if not for my children meeting the Adi Shakti in
their Sahasraras i would never have joined Sahaja Yoga. That the
whole family is determined (and happy) to stay away from clearing-
obsessed collectives/ashrams the rest of our lives is regarded as
yet another blessing from the Adi Shakti. Semira's concern is my
concern too. Why should anyone be subject to such an obsession? The
only way to escape such conditioning is to leave the collective.
jagbir
From: "semirafields"
Date: Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
Dear Jagbir,
Thank you very much for explaining about rituals, and I understand
much more about this subject now.
It is an interesting statement with far-reaching implications; that
rituals are placebos. Placebos fill the need of people to have
something concrete and specific to work with and focus on before the
consciousness can be attained, it seems.
Especially your last paragraph is to the heart of the matter.
>
> Ever wonder why placebos for diseases are yet to be recommended
> by doctors despite studies that some patients are conned and healed
> by them? Actually the said patients were healed by the consciousness
> of the placebo-effect of being healed. Don't chillies and lemons
> induce the same healing consciousness in SYs? Why can't they take a
> giant spiritual leap and attain that Consciousness, instead of using
> placebos to induce it?
>
> the answer, my friends, is blowing in the wind,
>
> Thanks, Semira
>
>
> -you are required to work hard on clearing yourself, and ensuring
> you are keeping your vibrations as good as you possibly can
>
Something seems wrong here....to have to work hard on clearing
yourself is in direct conflict with the message of Christianity, for
example. Salvation is not attained by endless obsession with
negativity, fear of negativity, and this attitude of constant
clearing can only open the way to people putting focus on their own
faults, others faults, creating guilt, shame, judgement of oneself
and others, and this is the opposite of the message of Christ. He
came to reveal that we are accepted and forgiven as we are, not that
we have to go on and on obsessing about everything we have done and
thought wrong in our lives. If you have to 'clear out' all the time,
where does the 'letting go' concept come in?
Is knowing God a gift, or is it earned?
Semira
From: "my2pai"
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2006 11:26 am
Subject: Re: 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
Dear Jagbir and everybody,
Foot-soaking is not a uniquely Sahaja Yoga treatment. It probably
has its origins in Ayurvedic medicine. It is also a common technique
of treatment in Japanese and Chinese traditional folk medicine. The
problem we have in Sahaja Yoga is that Sahaja Yogis have a tendency
to reduce any concept or idea to an absurdity; these are the expert
practitioners of reductio ad absurdum. This tendency to carry the
sensible advice of Shri Mataji to any illogical conclusion has
created any number of patients of yet another malady: the obsessive
compulsive disorder. Visit any ashram or collective and you will
very likely meet these soot-besmeared, wax-encrusted, and matka-
toting clowns. Whatever happened to the concept of moderation in
everything we do, the middle path?
Be that as it may, Shri Mataji has indeed had positive words to say
about foot-soaking. In the excerpt below She explains how Sahaja
Yogis and the chakras can be helped by the elements through foot-
soaking because we are, after all, constituted from the elements.
However Shri Mataji also emphasises that Sahaja Yoga has to be
worked out rather than to be thought out. So stubborn mental
fixation on any treatments or techniques or concepts have to be
avoided.
C.
"...Now everyone must have a regular sitting in the water everyday,
that's important. Every morning you must do your meditation, because
on mental level, we feel we have been with Mother, alright, this
exposure is alright. You came, you saw how Indians are and how
they're light on their feet and how they're good for Sahaja Yoga.
But after seeing all that, you have to know that Sahaja Yoga is to
be worked out, it's not to be thought out. You just cannot think
about it. Whatever you may try to do through your thought you cannot
achieve any results in Sahaja Yoga; you have to use your hands, you
have to use your feet, you have to soak your feet in the water
because water is the ocean. All these five chakras, or say, six
chakras which are - I say five because one is the Mooladhara chakra
which is the seventh and the top-most is the brain. So in between
five chakras which are there, are to be handled fully with the idea
that they are basically made of matter. And these five elements
constitute the body of these chakras. Now these chakras, if they're
to be corrected, we have to correct them by taking out all the
problems of these chakras into the elements from which they come."
(Puja at Vaitarna, India, 21/1/83)
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, Balwinder Mann
>
> IMHO it is quite obvious that Shree Mataji is talking about using
> the elements and meditation to correct the chakras. One of the
> elements is the ocean which is equivalent to salt water. I spent 9
> yrs without vibrations (although everyone around me could feel
> that i had vibrations) and a 10 day stay at Belapur corrected
> that - lots of footsoaking, sitting on Mother Earth, ice pack and
> candle treatment. To call it placebo is IMHO is unfair and also
> unproven. No one can say that a treatment works or is a placebo
> unless a rigid study is done - in Western medicine.
>
> I stopped doing all the treatments of Belapur within weeks of
> checking out from it and have only been meditating twice daily
> with complete dedication and faith almost without fail. The
> vibrations are great(better than when i left Belapur) and am
> really at peace but would never say that the treatment had a
> placebo effect and thus indirectly mean that they of not much
> use. I needed them at that juncture but right now meditation is
> sufficient despite my job of meeting people who are sick at work.
>
Dear Balwinder and All,
Perhaps placebo is a provocative word to use on spiritual issues but
if one considers the necessity of describing the obsession of Sys,
it is quite justified. i feel that it is the only word that may
induce common sense and balance in our collectives ........... but
please don't hold your breath. It will take time for this scared cow
of SY treatments to lose its 'divine status' and cease to be
worshipped.
"Ayurveda believes that everything in this universe is made up of
five great elements or building blocks. These are earth, water,
fire, air, and ether.
Earth represents the solid state of matter. It manifests stability,
permanence, and rigidity. In our body, the parts such as bones,
teeth, cells, and tissues are manifestations of the earth. Earth is
considered a stable substance.
Water characterizes change and represents the liquid state. Water is
necessary for the survival of all living things. A large part of the
human body is made up of water. Our blood, lymph, and other fluids
move between our cells and through our vessels, bringing energy,
carrying away wastes, regulating temperature, bringing disease
fighters, and carrying hormonal information from one area to
another. Water is a substance without stability.
Fire is the power to transform solids into liquids, to gas, and back
again. In other words, it possess power to transform the state of
any substance. Within our bodies, the fire or energy binds the atoms
together. It also converts food to fat (stored energy) and muscle.
Fire transforms food into energy. It creates the impulses of nervous
reactions, our feelings, and even our thought processes. Fire is
considered a form without substance.
Air is the gaseous form of matter which is mobile and dynamic.
Within the body, air (oxygen) is the basis for all energy transfer
reactions. It is a key element required for fire to burn. Air is
existence without form.
Ether is the space in which everything happens. It is the field that
is simultaneously the source of all matter and the space in which it
exists. Ether is only the distances which separate matter. The chief
characteristic of ether is sound. Here sound represents the entire
spectrum of vibration."
Everything in our world is made up of the first four substances.
All substances can be classified according to their predominant
element. For example, a mountain is predominantly made up of
earth element. A mountain also contain water, fire, air and ether.
But these elements are very small compared to the earth. So,
its classification is the earth.
SYs predominantly use the Earth (shoe-beating/sitting on
ground/lemon and chillies/matka), Water (foot-soaking), Fire
(havans) and Sky (bandhan/string and paper-burning) to clear their
problems. But what really invokes these elements to heal? If just
beating the shoe does wonders then walking in Reeboks and pounding
the pavement while window-shopping would solve (and save time too).
If lemons and chillies cured ills then eating them, especially in
spicy curries and fiery-hot sambals, would be a pleasure. If foot-
soaking cures all then jumping into the ocean would have been a
vacation priority. If bandhans and paper-burning fulfilled desires
then writing an entire essay on palm or paper would have raised it
to the power of 108.
The only reason all these elements work is due to the consciousness,
attention, desire and mantras. The elements by themselves are void
and useless to heal. A lemon, shoe, chilly, container of salted
water, or piece of paper will not heal or solve problems. But they
do help to focus consciousness, attention, desire and mantras on the
problems. They are thus placebos that help induce our consciousness,
attention, desire and mantras onto what ails us.
Balwinder, the reason you were healed so quickly at Belapur is
because of the intensive 10-day focusing of your consciousness,
attention, desire and mantras on the 9-year problem. It was a 24/7
atmosphere conducive to solve a serious problem and the elements
were vital to induce your mind/Sahasrara to remain focused. It would
have been a very difficult task otherwise as the formless would not
have induced the necessary confidence. The elements had to be used.
After leaving you slowly learnt to use only your consciousness,
attention, desire and mantras, and discarded all the elements. You
are better now and need no external rituals. In fact i am saying
your vibrations are fantastic because I nearly experienced the Bliss
again due to the vibrations that came out of your email. But, alas,
i started thinking of the indescribable 1994 intoxication and that
effectively confined me to the periphery again. (Calin, i had good
vibrations too from your http://www.geocities.com/calinez website. i
am not saying others do not have vibrations but what i experienced
was spontaneous and thus without any mental pollution of checking
vibrations.)
SYs think these elements help and have faith in their healing
powers. i am saying that it is the consciousness, attention, desire
and mantras that help and heal. This healing power is only
demonstrable if newcomers have something to focus on – lemons,
chillies, coconuts, shoe-beating, foot-soaking etc. At this early
stage they do not have the spiritual maturity and knowledge to use
just their consciousness, attention, desire and mantras. The
elements help to overcome this disability (and substitute "placebo"
with "crutches".)
The collective problem is that few SYs have learnt from their
experiences and start using their consciousness, attention, desire
and mantras. Since Sahaja Yoga is now officially a subtle system
club there is no shortage of senior SYs teaching and keeping others
at the kindergarten level. (Without the Divine Message what can the
SYs discuss weekly?) The chakra cleansing syndrome is that all-
important daily chow, weekly picnic and lifetime barbecue.
Violet made an interesting comment that she is permanently catch-
free. i believe that to be true because those who use their
consciousness, attention, desire and mantras without any external
element to focus can very easily rid themselves of catches. i know
many element-dependent SYs do not believe this to be true because
their permanent catches is evidence to dismiss such claims. But what
can be done to convince them? The only way is to explain to them
that elements are like placebos and that it is only their
consciousness, attention, desire and mantras that will heal. A
milder way would be to replace "placebo" with "crutches" but, given
the prognosis of our collectives, the provocative placebo is
preferred. Just like Buckley's, it tastes awful but cures quickly.
jagbir
From: Ajay Agarwal
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2006 1:16 am
Subject: Re: [adishakti_sahaja_yoga] Re: 100% sure Shri Mataji never
insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
hi all,
sometime back, i have heard in Shri Mataji speech
(Audio Cassette) in which Mataji insisted to do foot
soaking daily (at least before sleeping).. not only
that She also state that SHE HERSELF is doing foot
soaking for the sake of SYogis.
I was not unable to understand this quite clearly... I
am searching for that Cassette ... and soon i will
upload the audio file... for group.....
Jai Shri Mataji.
-Ajay.
From: "jagbir singh"
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2006 9:01 am
Subject: Re: 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
Dear Ajay,
There was a time and era decades ago when Shri Mataji had to use all
the means to establish SYs. We have come a long way from hence.
Today, just by sitting in a collective, you can be cleared. That was
not possible when She started Sahaja Yoga.
i have heard doctors telling their patients, "Make sure you take the
medicine every day." The vast majority understand that and DO NOT
take medication the rest of their lives. If we humans had subtle
system physicians like Shri Mataji then their advise to "footsoak
every day" would have meant "till the problem is solved."
Unfortunately that is not the case as SYs want to take this
medication for the rest of their lives. They insist in performing this
ritual forever despite Shri Mataji telling them that "A Sahaja Yogi
must have discretion if his Vishuddhi is all right. You should
understand that what I'm saying is to be used discreetly, not
blindly, so you can understand."
So work on the Vishuddhi till common sense prevails. Till that
chakra is alright sound advise, even from Shri Mataji, will not
prevail. So it will be pointless arguing anymore.
jagbir
"The people who think that they can control their ego will eat less or use all types of methods to control ego. For example, someone is standing on one leg or other one on his head, all types of efforts they are doing to reduce their ego.
But with all these techniques, ego doesn't vanish. On the contrary, ego increases. Fasting, reciting the names, increases your ego. With Havans also ego increases because Agni, fire, is the right side element. Anything which is rituals increases your ego.
Human being thinks that they are alright, since they are doing these rituals since thousand years. All the wrong teachings they are still following. For this reason Sahaja Yoga is against Karma Kanda, that is rituals. No need to do any kind of Karma Kanda.
And to go to the extreme point is also dangerous. I had asked them to shoe-beat to destroy their ego and what I see that every morning all the Sahaja Yogis go in the line with their shoes for shoe-beatings. But I had asked to do this if you have ego in you.
All these rituals have entered into Sahaja Yoga. I got somebody in France with the list of the treatments of Vashi hospital. But that was for sick peoples. This is the nature of human being to follow the rituals because he thinks that he can do it."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
25 December 1997, Christmas Puja
Ganapatipule, Maharashtra, India
From: "Violet"
Date: Mon Feb 6, 2006 7:52 am
Subject: Re: 100% sure Shri Mataji never insisted footsoaking be a daily ritual
Dear Jagbir, Ajay, and All,
What is the nature of the energizing power of the elements of nature, such as water, earth, air, fire, and ether? It is of the nature of kundalini energy.
This kundalini energy can be applied by use of the elements from the outside-in, and this is how most people first learn to harness/learn to work with this kundalini energy. For example, this kundalini energy manifests itself as the cleansing energy of the water and the suction power of the salt, but it all comes from kundalini.
And when we have harnessed/learned to use our enlightened attention and our kundalini energy is finally flowing without major obstructions, we find that we have the ability to direct the kundalini energy wherever we need Her to clear our psychosomatic centres.
So, its the same kundalini energy whether applied from without-in or from within-out.
The idea is to have the kundalini energy flowing freely from within-out. This kundalini energy is also the "Living Water" that Jesus spoke about, and it takes care of all our problems. That is because She is the Primordial Living Force of the Universe.
i think that Shri Mataji did insist that the kundalini energy flowing from
within-out should be a daily ritual that should last all day long.
love and best wishes,
Violet
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