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Do you honestly
believe i could have become a SY the way it is being spread?
From: "jagbir singh" <www.adishakti.org@gmail.com>
Date: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:26 pm
Subject: Do you honestly believe i could have
become a SY the way it is being spread?
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shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
alex arthur <dude11976@y...>
wrote:
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> I've been in the talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum too,
> there are so many ex members with such sorry tales of
> their experiences in sahaj. I know they are not lying,
> and it was bound to happen with so much Bureaucracy.
> Give a man power and in all likely hood it will
> corrupt. No collective, local, city, country or world
> leader is beyond that. These people (some) have ended
> up paying the price for it.
>
The talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum is mostly run by
atheists led by ex-
false prophet SDM. Unlike other disillusioned disciples
of false
gurus who have progressed spiritually, most of those who
abused Shri
Mataji have committed collective spiritual suicide:
"i just got this realization that these ex-disciples of
false gurus
have continued on their spiritual path and bloomed. For
weeks i have
been following these forums and the emerging awareness
is that these
ex-disciples are healing themselves and growing into
even more
enlightened and spiritual souls. Despite suffering so
much
emotional, sexual and economic abuse, devastated in
trust and
beliefs, they do not feel bitter or angry as they should
be. On
the contrary, they are forgiving Chinmoy and forging
their own
spiritual paths and growing stronger in mind, body and
soul.
Then we have a few ex-SYs from the late 80's who
ridiculed Shri
Mataji's claim as the Adi Shakti. (At that time there
was no
www.adishakti.org to back Her up.) i have never
experienced so much
hate and anger against someone whose only fault is that
She claimed
to be the Adi Shakti, a claim that was believed to be a
lie by this
tiny band. And when you compare the immense damage to
the human soul that Chinmoy inflicted on his disciples
over decades, only the
lowest of humanity can feel so much sustained outrage
and anger over
Shri Mataji's simple claim as Adi Shakti.
But unlike ex-devotees of other gurus who became better
spiritual
beings, those who ridiculed Shri Mataji have turned into
atheists.
Why is this strangely so when others, so brutally abused
in mind,
body and soul, can grow in collective consciousness? Why
has the
spiritual path of the few ex-SYs taken a complete U-turn
towards
disbelieve in God? Why is it becoming increasingly clear
they will
never ever tread the path of the Divine again?"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/2316
> I have not initiated a single person into sahaj since
> i joined, even now when i talk of sahaj yoga I am
> deeply concerned that if i let him or her loose in a
> collective, they are going to become walking talking
> paranoid puppets.
>
You can overcome this problem by giving Self-realization
and telling
them about the problems faced in Sahaja Yoga. They
should expect
normal humans walking on earth, not angels from heaven,
at the local
collective. Just don't hype and give them false
expectations and
high hopes. Newcomers can always continue on their own
and meditate
on the Shakti within if the collective does not meet
their standard
of saintliness, or have problems accepting the paranoia
of invisible
bhoots and possessed spiders. The main aim should be to
give them
the means to meditate daily on the Shakti, with or
without the
collective.
In future the internet will help spread Sahaja Yoga on a
scale few
can imagine today. All we need to do is to be truthful
and
transparent to those seeking answers to difficult
questions, and
make gurus out of them in the shortest possible time.
This false
pride of enlightening the ignorant, or fearing the
devilishly
negative must cease. Neophytes can progress in months
what SYs have
not learnt over years. So can followers of false gurus.
> The only part I dont understand is that of Jagbir's
> children having visions of the mother. But i haven't
> ridiculed him just yet, because each day I experience
> something new. Maybe someday i'll understand just how
> authentic their visions are. They might even be
> symbolic and i'm sure time will tell.
>
>
Alex, there is a huge difference between having a
vision, say of
your best friend who migrated overseas, and actually
talking to him
over a mango shake at your favorite Bombay Palace after
his return
years later. Having a vision is one of the easiest to
achieve
because your mind can be induced to image him after some
practice.
Try to do this and you will understand what i mean. BTW,
have you
not had unpleasant thoughts and visions while
meditating? Try
continuing and see where you will end up.
But then those with huge egos use it to further their
megalomaniac
tendencies. Ex-SY SDM had visions which induced him to
believe he
was an incarnation of Jesus' uncle, Saint Joseph, before
self-
promoting himself to Shri Rama. Another SY a few years
back had
visions that made him believe himself to be `Shri Kalki',
endowed
with 'supreme powers' that would unleash worldwide
destruction with
his laser eyes, and commence Armageddon. Now Ishmael
continues to
have visions which induces him to believe he is the "God
that
hears." All of them exhibit the classical signs of
megalomania,
which is "a mania for great or grandiose performance, a
delusional
mental disorder that is marked by infantile feelings of
personal
omnipotence and grandeur."
So Alex, hope you progress and understand how authentic
the
experiences in the Sahasrara are. i hope that you will
learn to
distinguish between visions of megalomaniacs and those
resisting any
attention. Just last week some excited established SY
wrote to me
and wanted information about, and communication with, my
children.
This is part of my answer:
"You may communicate with them by the same email
address. Just have to let you know that none of them are
interested in telling others
about their abilities, and i mean no disrespect. They do
not even
tell me anything unless i ask them, and that also is
answered
briefly.
The only reason i am putting their experiences on the
internet is to
provide evidence to the world that Shri Mataji Nirmala
Devi is
indeed the incarnation of the Shakti. After a decade of
these
children entering their Sahasraras to visit Her there is
no way
anyone can deny Shri Mataji in future. Our faith in Shri
Mataji is
solely based on the irrefutable evidence and experiences
that
continue to be witnessed till today. Use it to put the
attention of
real seekers on Shri Mataji, not those who witness Her
glory in
their Sahasraras."
Anyone can claim themselves to be saint Joseph, Shri
Rama, Kalki,
Divine Mother, Bhagwan or Adi Shakti - SDM, Ishmael,
Chinmoy,
Jayendra Swamygal, Sai Baba, Rev. Moon, Ching Hai, Amma
and others. Have any witness(es) come forward so far to
give evidence and
testified on the behalf of their gurus that they are
what they claim?
In our case none of us were Shri Mataji's devotees, or
followed any
other guru or religion. We were just an ordinary family
till events
beyond our control compelled us to declare who Shri
Mataji is. My
children are just innocent bystanders who just happen to
witness an
extraordinary advent of the Shakti. My job is just to
confirm and
collect that evidence.
If not for all this i would still be drinking beer with
my friends
at the local strip club. Do you honestly believe i could
have become
a SY the way it is being spread, or even desired to give
up my
devilishly lucky lifestyle to learn about some subtle
system?
jagbir
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