|
I can't
be in collective but you can be in Collective Consciousness
From:
"jagbir singh" <www.adishakti.org@gmail.com>
Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 10:51 am
Subject: I can't be in collective but you can be
in Collective Consciousness
|
Dear
sister,
Shri Mataji did mention there are twelve types of SYs.
Ask any SY
who has heard the tape and they will tell you it is
true. Aunty
Lyndal, if you are reading this please confirm.
Shri Mataji did not specifically say what the categories
were but it
should range between the great souls, good SYs, bad
apples and ugly
ducklings. There is no such thing as we SYs are all the
same.
Through experience i know most are very good, a few bad
and a
handful ugly.
Just yesterday a SY told me how he lost a doctor devotee
who had
brought a number of people into Sahaja Yoga. This
physician quit
when he met some SYs in India. Apparently their behavior
shocked him
and forced him to question his faith. In the end he left
because he
could not reconcile with what he had experienced. (i
find he made an
error because he should have realized that Shri Mataji
is not
responsible for the actions of SYs as they have all
freedom to do as
they wish.) Not only that but he has ever since told his
bad
experiences to others, including new SYs who faith is
shaken and
these people may slowly cease meditating.
So i do not want you to stay to the point of disgust,
and may leave
forever. So do not listen to SYs who are not in your
shoes and
induce more fear and guilt by subtle system talk. Since
they are so
involved with the subtle system they seem to understand
things only
in terms of chakras. (That is one of the reasons i left
because i
could not take all this constant chatter of catches and
cures.)
You may stay away from the collective and continue
meditating alone
if you find SYs give you problems, or that the
atmosphere is not
conducive to progress. But please do not stay for the
sake of the
collective, only to leave in revulsion when you cannot
take it
anymore. Do not reach this point of no return. Shri
Mataji wants us
to be in Collective Consciousness and not local
collective
consciousness. Please understand this very important
fact that many
SYs are ignorant of.
Sure there are many benefits of staying in the
collective but
leaving it does not mean the end. In fact there are some
SYs who
have advanced themselves because they are not retarded
by the fear
and guilt-ridden, catch conscious nature of collectives.
i assure you that the journey is within yourself and the
Shakti
resides in your Sahasrara. One day when Shri Mataji
leaves SYs will
be forced to meditate on Her within. So leaving the
collective will
not diminish your progress, provided you are strong and
have great
faith in Shri Mataji.
You should take comfort that i have left the collective
years ago
when it became unbearable for me to continue. Even my
wife could not
stand all that constant chatter of catches and cures
that made her
fear and guilty of so many things. Today she is glad
that she left
and began meditating at home. We do not have the fears
that many SYs
project on you in the collective. Leaving the collective
has been
really beneficial as we are now our own gurus. No
outsider can shake
our faith and trust in the Adi Shakti, nor any SY make
us feel
fearful or guilty.
So weigh your options before making a decision. If you
do leave
please occasionally return to the collective to recharge
your
batteries. Perhaps that may also teach others a lesson.
Anyway, we
are a still collective at this forum and can draw upon
it for
strength and guidance. For all i know it will help you
establish a
deep and unbreakable bond with Shri Mataji because in
this
collective garden we weed out ignorance. You should know
this forum
and websites have brought back SYs on the verge of
leaving because
they are able to understand things better, and have a
venue to
present their grievances or doubts that will be heard
and, most
importantly, answered. Maybe you can't be in collective
but you can
definitely be in Collective Consciousness.
So please do not feel guilty about expressing your views
as SYs have
this habit of sweeping problems under the carpet and
sanitizing
Sahaja Yoga. This has resulted in problems festering for
years. i
believe that prevention is better than cure. And we can
only prevent
problems by acknowledging them first. Please feel free
to express
your doubts, problems and concerns so that we can all
learn from
them. It is a win-win situation no matter what others
say. By
keeping silent you will only protect those who keep you
in
ignorance, fear and guilt. You said that "So much things
I dont
understand, like gateways and not allowed information,
even see
photos of Mother which I would like to print and keep in
my place."
Why protect those who cannot give you knoweldge and keep
information
secret? Why protect idiots who do not even allow you to
see photos
of Shri Mataji?
But maybe you are wondering why you are not allowed to
even see Shri
Mataji's photos. Let you tell you why through my
expereince.
A few years ago i went to the Toronto ashram because
Shri Mataji was
coming there for a public program. As i was walking
around and
admiring the rooms i came across hundreds of Shri
Mataji's photos
strewn on a bed. Apparently other SYs have been looking
at them for
a day or two. So naturally i was attracted and begun
looking at them
with joy and love in my heart - they were so many pretty
ones that i
had never seen before.
Then a senior SY passed by, stopped and came into the
room. He told
me i was not to touch the photographs even though others
had. It did
not take much intelligence to realize that being a
member of a
possessed family with demonic children, i had no right
to even look
at Shri Mataji's photographs.
In the end it was necessary for my whole family to leave
and
meditate alone. At least we are still devoted to Her and
feeling so
much better in mind, body and soul.
So who wants to stay in Sahaja Yoga when some SYs give
you so many
reasons to leave? We left in order to remain Her
devotees.
Jai Shri Mataji,
jagbir
--- In
shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
"yoginisahaja"
<yoginisahaja@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Oleg savisky and sisters and brothers
> thank you deeply for help and advices, it help me
greatly. I
> understand collective yoga is important as Mother
says, I will try
> hard. I wont tell problems here, we are all brothers
and sisters
in divine love, is important to protect sahaj and
culture.
> I think dear brother jagbir wrote about 12 yogis
before, i will
see messages here, maybe i understood wrong.
> Blessing to all of you,
> Jai Shree Mataji!!!
> your sister yogini
>
> --- In
shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
Oleg Savitsky
<savitsky@f...>
> wrote:
> > Jay Shri Mataji!
> >
> > Dear sister,
> >
> > Shri Mataji created sahaja yoga as collective yoga.
That means
> when you are the part of sahaja collective - you get
special
> blessings and attention from Shri Adi Shakti. But even
you're
> meditating alone, Paramchaitanya, the all penetrating
power, still
> with you - because you are connected. But considerate
the quality
of Vishuddhi chakra you are loosing. It's very, very
difficult to be
> out of sahaja collective and keep this chakra in a
proper state -
> because of collectivity principle in it. You know that
aspects of
> Vishuddhi includes collectivity, be a spectator, be
unattached to
> everything, sweet talking and doing.
> >
> > According to your e-mail, you are really good and
sweet sahaja
> yogini loving Shri Mataji. No doubts that you will
spread your
love and patience to all people surrounding you. While
spreading
pure love don't wait for reflecting it back, don't wait
for
anything, just spread love and all things will go in the
right
direction after a time. Be confident, we are upholding
you with our
love too.
> >
> > Your brother,
> > Oleg Savitsky
> > Kiev, Ukraine
> >
> >
----------------------------------
> >
> > >> Dear brother jagbirji,
> >
> > >> Jai shree MAtaji!
> >
> > >> When you post previous reply to me you mentioned
12 types of
SYs, I think i am start to get your meaning this time.
May be I now
meet most types.
> >
> > >> I believe in Mothers Grace, I believe in
adiShakti. I don't
> > >> understand many yogis though and now starting
thinking to
> leave SY official) and just believe for myself. So
much things I
don't understand, like gateways and not allowed
information, even
> see photos of Mother which I would like to print and
keep in my
> place.
> >
> > >> Can I be SY but not in collective do you think? I
have
> reasons not living in ashram (sick person to care of)
and I don't
> understand religion that says some people are not good
enough,
thank you for understanding me,,
> >
> > >> your sister,
> > >> JSM!!!!!
> >
> >
|
|