The invalidation of the work of a Sahaja Yogi at Wikipedia
> --- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet"
>
Dear All,
Appended is evidence for the record, of the invalidation of the work of a Sahaja
Yogi. i believe this yogi is still in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga. Nobody is
immune from a minority of so-called yogis who have put themselves over and above
approximately 20,000 SYs in the world. These few yogis do not consider the work
of individual Sahaja Yogis as valid. They only consider what their few say as
valid. There is not even a proper reason given. Shri Mataji said all we yogis
are to give Her Message, those who have felt the spiritual vibrations.
A real Sahaja Yogi will not work as you see appended below. It is not in their
nature to do so. It is the work of those who don't really believe in Shri
Mataji's Word - that the Truth will expose all that is not the truth. Instead,
they take it upon themselves to pretend to be the Truth, and in so doing are
committing multiple spiritual crimes against humanity, and against fellow Sahaja
Yogis.
So this is for the record, for posterity, so they can see what Sahaja Yogis were
up against.
regards to all,
violet
Re: Valaya.co.uk
Why is this website being used as a source? The link
http://www.valaya.co.uk/KNOWLEDGEpujaProt1.htm for example, states its origin as
being from a "Private archive", nothing else. Unless a good reason is provided
to keep this as a source, I will remove it as well as associated content.
Sfacets 16:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. If you look at the home page it is clearly an official SY website.
[39] ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
And you see this how? By the copyright information? It is obviously a private
website. Sfacets 00:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
How do you know that? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
It is kind of obvious looking at it - have you seen other official websites
sporting free counters, using tiled images as background? Sfacets 00:38, 11
November 2007 (UTC)
The page says that "all the knowledge, contents, and materials in this website
come from and belong to H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Copyright 2001 H.H. Shri
Mataji Devi 2001 all rights reserved". Are you contending that there is more
than one individual called " H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi"? ·:· Will Beback ·:·
03:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
No, only that it isn't an official website, and is an unreliable source in this
case. Sfacets 03:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
If it is from "H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" then it is relevant. You assert
that it's unreliable, but there's no evidence of that. ·:· Will Beback ·:·
04:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability This is obviously a Self-published source,
and is not reliable, unless it is verified by another source. Sfacets 05:03, 11
November 2007 (UTC)
If we can prove that the material is self-published and inaccurate then I agree
that it would be unreliable,. However I don't see any proof of those assertions.
·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not adding the information, or using the source. Please read burden of
evidence. You need to provide evidence of the validity of the website as a
source. Sfacets 08:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea about all this, but, by curiosity I have check main page of this
website http://www.valaya.co.uk/, and you discover that it should be a kind of
private website, or intranet maybe as a login is requested. Official website are
public. So, it is a self-published website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by
Agenor 77 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I looked this up on one of those doman tools, and it's registered to a "Gian
Luca Masciangelo". I don't know if that's person or a company, but its address
is in Italy even though its a U.K. domain. By comparison, the
"sahajayoga.org.uk" domain is registered to "LET", a known official SY
organization with a suburban London address. (I guess there is more than one
entity.) That being the case, I think this "www.valaya.co.uk" site looks like an
overeager adherent,. Though he copyrights the information in the name of Shri
Mataji, I doubt that she actually wrote most of it herself. The incorrect
application of copyrights seems to be a common issue with groups like this. I'm
sure it's well-intentioned. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 10:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
LET is Life Eternal Trust, the tax-exempt equivalent of VND (created before the
term VND was coined). SYogis setting up their own websites was official policy
under the Mataji-inspired Project 2800 which tried to drown out critical voices
on the Web with a flood of SY sites. See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syrc/message/38 --Simon D M 11:07, 12 November
2007 (UTC)
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "sfacets"
>
> I would have expected a little understanding from someone who claims
> to be a Sahaja Yogi, and yet to all intents and purposes is siding
> with Simon Montford.
>
> Are you aware that he is using speeches of Shri Mataji out of
> context to attack not just the organization but also Shri Mataji?
>
> We need to stand together against this affront.
> Sincerely,
> Sfacets
>
Sfacets,
Would you mind being honest, and telling us who you really are, instead of
hiding behind an I.D.?
i have read what Simon D.M. has written, and he is not twisting the facts in
this instance, as far as i can see. It is you, Sfacets, that has been evading,
and twisting facts. Can't you see what you are doing. Simon is actually behaving
himself properly. Just because he is the foe of Shri Mataji, does not mean he
cannot do the right thing in some instances, Sfacets. But i see that you are not
doing the right thing in the instance listed below.
You cannot play your game with me and say: "We need to stand against this
affront". You are a worse foe of Shri Mataji than Simon in a way, because you
are a foe "inside the organisation" of Shri Mataji, while Simon is a foe,
outside the organisation of Shri Mataji. A foe inside the organisation, is
obviously much worse.
A foe who denigrates the spiritual work of other Sahaja Yogis, is much worse.
violet
Re: The invalidation of the work of a Sahaja Yogi at Wikipedia
Hi Sfacets,
Compared to you and Sahajist (John Noyce) Simon is far more honest
about his beliefs. But if we compare the damage done to Sahaja Yoga
and Shri Mataji's message then i have to say he is 'saintly' compared
to you, Sahajist, WCASY, Sir CP, and the entire SY organization. i am
comparing a single person against tens of thousands of so-called
realized souls participating in, and perpetuating a deliberate and
sustained collective deception to keep humanity in the dark about the
Comforter sent by Lord Jesus with the message of the Last Judgment.
(It is indeed an insult to Her that i am forced to make such a
comparison just to make sense to so many SYs.)
i did sent you an email yesterday in response to your appreciating my
dossier on Simon. Probably you have overlooked or misunderstood what
i think of your activities at Wikipedia. So i will quote what is
really important:
"The devil is in the details of sapiental tradition and this Tasmanian
Devil John Noyce puts a crown of thorns on Christ's head and
whispers "I am the one who keeps deleting the links and am as active
as the devil in preventing humanity from receiving your message of
the Last Judgment. As Sahajist ... my comments are occasional and
always concise, as they are to you now." Yes, we couldn't agree more
John."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adishakti_sahaja_yoga/message/8735
So you can understand why i have to differentiate you from Simon. i
said he is 'saintly' because, unlike both you and John Noyce, he
tried to stop the deletion of www.adishakti.org from Wikipedia. In
case you still cannot comprehend me i better add to the above quote:
Sfacets pokes a spear into Christ's abdomen and taunts the Savior: "I
am John Noyce's accomplice who also keeps deleting the links and am
as active as the devil in preventing humanity from receiving your
message of the Last Judgment."
Hope that makes your day Sfacets,
jagbir
Note: Sfacets, all these posts are being permanently archived at
http://sahajayoga-shrimataji.org/ so that future generations will
know exactly what transpired during the winter of Shri Mataji's life. As the
designated night-soil carrier of Sahaja Yoga i would value your opinion and
feedback if i am up to task.
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