John Noyce: "As Sahajist ... my comments are occasional and always concise."


--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet" wrote:

Dear All,

i received this email from John Noyce:

Violet,

sfacets is the wikipedia username of a Sydney-based yogi. NOT me!

I have neither time nor inclination for those extensive exchanges he has with SDM.

My time is spent researching and writing books, the third of which has recently appeared on the Sapiential tradition in Europe.

When I do venture onto Wikipedia it is as sahajhist, and my comments are occasional and always concise.

regards

John


Release Date: 26/11/2007 10:50 AM


--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh" wrote:
>
> When I do venture onto Wikipedia it is as sahajhist,
> and my comments are occasional and always concise.
>

The issue is not so much the edits as the editing behavior. Pro- Sahaja editors, you and Sfacets in particular, add unsourced information and remove sourced info. Regarding the 'Shri Adi Shakti' if it is incomplete then why did you delete it instead of adding to it? The repeated deletions of sources and external links without adequate explanation I requested this mediation. Is that an adequate source or not, and if not then why not?
-Will Beback 03:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

This discussion should be on the relevant talk page.
-Sahajhist 07:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

No, only discussion of content should be held on article talk pages. This is a discussion of the editing behavior that is the subject of this mediation.
-Will Beback 08:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. If I can widen this slightly: I would suggest that the Nirmala Srivastava page be a straight-forward biography, leaving matters of theology such as 'Shri Adi Shakti' to be dealt with on the Sahaja Yoga page. What is your view on this?
-Sahajhist 00:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The editing problems that we need to address here are that you deleted that assertion without comment, and what sources we can use to reference the theology. Why did you delete it? A complete section on theology, whether in the Srivastava article or the SY article would have to include using "Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God" as a source, but that link has been removed countless times from the articles. Can we agree to use that as a source for Sahaja Yoga's theology and for views of Srivastava?

Also, I gather from your statements that both you and Sfacets are residents of Melbourne, and hence members of the Melbourne collective. There have been problems with several unregistered editors from Melbourne. (most recently user:211.28.128.27). Is there a discussion of Wikipedia articles among the Melbourne Collective? Do you know the individuals who are editing? They are a part of the problem and their editing behavior reflects poorly on all pro-Sahaja editors.
-Will Beback 22:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not ask them directly: symelb[at]yahoo.com.au
-WikiPossum 11:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, let's start with you. Are you responsible for any of the unregistered edits? What is your involvement here? Would you like to participate in a useful manner in this mediation?
-Will Beback 12:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Attempt by SY organization to remove www.adishakti.org from Wikipedia



Dear Violet and All,

John Noyce is indeed telling the truth when he declared with bristled indignation that:

>
> When I do venture onto Wikipedia it is as sahajhist,
> and my comments are occasional and always concise.
>

although most of the energy is spent trying to delist www.adishakti.org in public and defame/demonize myself and my children in private. John Noyce tends to become delirious with unrestrained glee if he ever as much as finds a fullstop parked two tabs late. That is his nature folks - to find the slightest faults of others and examine them under a microscope.

And he has an ego as huge, protruding and obvious as Tasmania:

>
> My time is spent researching and writing books, the
> third of which has recently appeared on the Sapiential
> tradition in Europe.
>

He is a very important and highly qualified academician (who stooped low enough to sell his two-bit articles for $1.00 on the internet.) Er ...... i mean he pretends to be a very important and highly qualified academician whose much sought books have appeared on the Sapiental tradition. And if you think that is a book fair you are wrong. Sapiental tradition is Christian wisdom expressing the mystery of Christ.

The devil is in the details of sapiental tradition and this Tasmanian Devil John Noyce puts a crown of thorns on Christ's head and whispers "I am the one who keeps deleting the links and am as active as the devil in preventing humanity from receiving your message of the Last Judgment. As Sahajist ... my comments are occasional and always concise, as they are to you now." Yes, we couldn't agree more John.

regards,

jagbir

Note: Dear Violet, all your efforts to get any positive information from these antichrist characters will be in vain. John Noyce will never include the information (below) at Wikipedia when he actively tried, but failed, to delete all links of www.adishakti.org which confirms in great detail what Shri Mataji told SYs at Sydney Airport, Australia in 1994.

--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet" wrote:

Dear All,

Wherever there are at least two sahaja yogis working together, it is a collective effort. John Noyce, according to Wikipedia media, is not accepting that Shri Mataji said at Sydney Airport that there would be children who would give evidence to verify Her Incarnation, from Montreal, Canada, which is why Uncle Michael Fogarty and all, shifted the puja to Montreal:

Shri Mataji told of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her

Shri Mataji agreed puja be held in Montreal

i was there in person, and my ears heard what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi said about these children. i witnessed the whole thing. So did a room full of sahaja yogis witness it. Why is John Noyce not including this information at Wikipedia? All he has to do is give a link to http://www.adishakti.org/. It's very easy to give the link and make it a part of Sahaja Yoga, which it is, without a doubt!

violet


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