SM told of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Violet"
> i now have something of interest to tell you... Jagbir... as well.
> Only it is such a vague memory, that i can only give an indication
> of it. i will tell what i can vaguely remember: -
> i recall Shri Mataji telling in person because i heard Her speak it
> and (i can't exactly remember the venue), but it was in Sydney,
> Australia somewhere, and it was either the third-last or the
> second-last major visit to Australia. The date therefore was
> between 1993-1995-6).
> Anyway, She told the group of Sahaja Yogis that there were two
> "special personalities" who either would be born or were to be born
> in Montreal, Canada (i can't remember which it was)... so please
> bear with me on that account. i think She said something about
> them being children at the time, or one was born, and the
> other 'yet to be born'. (i just can't remember which it is.)
> (Btw. the reason i remember the place as being Montreal, Canada, is
> because i come from Canada too, and i agreed wholeheartedly that
> Canada should be so blessed to have such "special personalities"
> born there, and i visualised this in my mind, as being Montreal
> Canada at the time, and pondered on that, and felt very happy for
> the country of my birth... being blessed too.)
> In any case, according to Shri Mataji, their incarnation (of these
> two) would be that they are "special personalities" which would
> give a great blessing to mankind because they would confirm Her
> (Shri Mataji's Incarnation). i will even go as far as saying that
> Shri Mataji might have said that they too, were some kind of a
> special incarnation, but i am not sure... but i think that was
> what Shri Mataji was saying. (It seemed like that to "me", anyway,
> but i could have misunderstood Her; it could be that by
> saying "special personality, i only understood it "myself" as some
> kind of special incarnation).
> She also said that they were yet to grow up and that we would not
> really hear much about them until they were older. She also said
> something about them not actually being in the Organisation of
> Sahaja Yoga itself, but they would be doing a separate job... a
> job about giving confirmation of Her Incarnation. Shri Mataji said
> that She only needed to mention this, and that there was nothing
> that we needed to do about that information, but that we would
> know about them at a later time.
> (Jagbir this memory came back because you revealed that your
> children are "angels" according to the Revelations of the Shakti.
> That triggered this memory, which was there somewhere in the
> background since 1993-1996) but which i had hidden.
> What Shri Mataji told was most enigmatic for me. For a start,
> children who had yet to grow up; then people who were not even in
> the Organisation of SY; then confirming that Shri Mataji is an
> Incarnation...what is that all about? There were too many unknown
> factors, plus the fact that Shri Mataji was so casual about it, and
> said it was not necessary to do anything about that; that time
> would reveal everything.
> Can you blame me for being so vague, then, with all these what i
> would call quite 'wishy-washy' type of information, which seemed to
> have little relevance for me at the time... and then also being
> told that we do not need to have any concern about it. No wonder
> my memory is vague, and not only that, "special personalities" is
> not a thing Shri Mataji talked about really. She said everyone was
> special, so that was another reason, i never remembered this till
> you mentioned the word about Kash and Lalita being "angels". That
> obviously triggered this "special personalities" memory that Shri
> Mataji told that day. i am sure most SY's won't remember either,
> because these seemed like such petty details at that time, and
> really meant very little to us Sahaja Yogis. There was no
> understanding by myself also. Who would understand such a thing?!)
> So... i thought i would tell you this, then... of what i have
> remembered about Shri Mataji having told us. i can tell you i would
> never have remembered this, if you had not told the "angel" word.
The homepage of http://adishakti.org reads:
"In 1993 Shri Mataji disclosed at the Sydney International Airport, Australia that if Her Message (of the Last Judgment and Resurrection) is not given from within the Sahaja Yoga organization, She had people to give it from without. Her exact words by one of those who heard Her speaking at the airport: "If SY's are not up to it" ... (Her Message would be given) ... "by people from outside of the Organization". "
i feel there is a need for clarification of the issue - venue, time, place, what was said, other SYs present etc. - and would much appreciate if you can help me do so:
Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:
i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders will do it;
ii) informing SYs there are already "special personalities" in Montreal, Canada who will do so and "that there was nothing that we needed to do about that information, but that we would know about them at a later time."
i know this incident has quite faded from memory but please take your time and clarify if:
i) SYs are to announce Her Divine Message;
ii) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;
iii) SYs and special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;
iv) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message if SYs do not.
Given the evidence that the WCASY has edited Her Divine Messsage out of Sahaja Yoga and is now actively engaged in suppressing any SY or website that does not follow its official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion), it is of paramount importance to bear witness as to what Shri Mataji told SYs more than a decade ago at Sydney Airport, Australia. Future seekers will be able to draw great faith, courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that SM did tell of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. You can help drive the final nail into the WCASY coffin.
--- In email@example.com, "jagbir
> Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:
> i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders will
> do it;
> ii) informing SYs there are already "special personalities" in
> Montreal, Canada who will do so and "that there was nothing that we
> needed to do about that information, but that we would know about
> them at a later time."
i remember very clearly that in 1993 most SYs (including myself) were waiting expectantly for the Sahaj leadership to put the collective desire into action and officially announce Shri Mataji's Message to the world... which SM asked us to do. This had not yet been forthcoming at that time, in spite of a lot of promises given to SM as well as many bandhans and shoebeats, etc. to destroy any negativity that was preventing this announcement. In 1993, myself and other SYs entrusted the leaders to organise this for us and we still had hope then... that the official announcement would happen. Many of us felt that once the SY leadership announced Her Message officially... then we would all be in a much better position to give Her eschatological message... individually or collectively.
When Shri Mataji told us at Sydney Airport in 1993 (i believe it was) that "special personalities" from Montreal, Canada would "give evidence" of Her Incarnation... that should have given the SY Leadership great confidence to announce Her Message with the knowledge that "evidence" of Her Incarnation would be forthcoming. However... it seems to me that the leadership "especially"... did not take this information 'on board' in a realistic way. i think it was all a bit 'unreal' to them somehow. (i guess you could say it was kind of 'unreal' to us all. We had absolutely no idea what this "evidence" that SM talked about would consist of. We had no idea there was going to be this amazing mystical knowledge that She was going to reveal!)
Jagbir... you have asked what the tension between SY leadership/ followers and Shri Mataji was in relation to your abovementioned points i) and ii):
i felt that any 'possible resultant guilt' that the SY leadership might have had for 'not officially announcing Shri Mataji's Message'... despite Her repeated pleas to do so... seemed to be assuaged by their mutual reassurance that: "Mother is again being a mother by gently chiding us... just like She always does and whatever we do... we know that She will always love us and forgive us... just like She always does." (Even SM many times said that we took advantage of Her "motherliness". Whenever She needed to, She reminded us that no other guru would have tolerated what She tolerates.)
Therefore i feel that SY Leadership/followers did not take responsibility for officially announcing Her Message because... just like children... they probably thought they would get away with it. In any case, they just seemed to put announcing Her Message in the "too-hard-basket". (Please understand that not all SYs took advantage of Shri Mataji's motherly ways, however, and not all SYs felt this way... but the leadership held the sway ("the say")... so if a SY felt differently that was "their" problem... as i know you also have experienced... Jagbir.)
What they forgot, however... is that there is a time when even a mother has to finally put her foot down too... and it is not as if SM didn't warn and admonish them about this task that needed to be done. She gave SYs within the organisation every chance and encouraged them at every turn to do this vital job. However... i had the distinct feeling that many SYs thought that She was just 'gently teasing' them all the while and i am sure they did not believe that SM would ever give this vital job over to "others from outside the organisation of SY"... as She threatened to do in Her Motherly Way. (At that time, i did not think that would happen either.)
i feel that the reality of the situation did not really sink into the consciousness of SY leadership/followers, as many became increasingly steeped and entrenched in the external subtle system knowledge and rituals that SM had given, rather than "going deeper within" which is the gnostic knowledge which SM had also given. Shri Mataji frequently spoke about the need for SYs to "go deeper". She gave the gnostic knowledge of the Adi Shakti within (the Holy Spirit within). She also informed us that the reason She incarnated was to introduce us to "Our Mother Within"... who is also the most important person for us to meet... as She is the "Christian Comforter" that Shri Jesus promised would come.
In relation to the information that SM gave that day about "special personalities" from Montreal, Canada... who She said would "give evidence" of Her Incarnation... this fact 'in no way' took away the opportunity of SY leadership/followers to be the ones to officially announce Her Message. (This is an important point to remember.)
When i heard what SM said about these "special children" who would "give evidence" of Her Incarnation... i put this information into my heart and mind for a future date... when it would be important for me to remember what She said. i knew how important it was for an Incarnation to fulfill the spiritual eschatology (fulfill prophesies made about them). However, i don't think many SY leadership/followers gave this important factor much thought at all. In fact, i was actually quite appalled at their seeming ignorance in this area... at their lack of spiritual discernment in this area! (That was why i made "double sure" that i would remember what SM said... because i doubted that anyone else would... given all the factors and circumstances involved that worked against the retention of this knowledge SM gave.
When Shri Mataji said that... "if SYs do not announce Her Message from within the organisation... that there will be others from outside the organisation that will do so"... this was not given in relation to the "special personalities". It was given separately.
So... I believe Jagbir, that it is yourself now (and the others helping you) who are those "others outside of the organisation of SY" that are now announcing Shri Mataji's Message. They are doing so because the SY leadership/followers have not been "up to the task"... which is the way SM 'put it'; She said to the collective "We shall see if you are up to the task."
Well... they have have not been up to the task and now Shri Mataji has given the responsibility of this vital task to others outside of the organization of Sahaja Yoga... just like She warned She would do if SY leadership/followers were not up to the task. We have evidence that SY leadership have refused to take up this responsibility to announce Her Message officially. They have in fact failed to do so... even to date.
However, SY leadership/followers could easily have proceeded with confidence and faith and announced Her Message... knowing that evidence of Her Incarnation would be forthcoming. It could all have worked out very beautifully. After all... Shri Mataji never gave SY leadership/followers the difficult task of "giving evidence". All She required of them was to announce Her Message!
We know now that when the mystical evidence of Her Incarnation was given by the "special children" that SM mentioned would come from Montreal, Canada... that the SY leadership "especially" rejected this evidence. In fact the SY leadership had a terrible reaction against the mystical evidence given. They even decided that the children must be possessed! (Please be aware that not all SYs felt this way though. Not all SYs rejected this evidence... but most SYs felt obliged to follow/agree with the Sahaja Yoga leadership opinion... and that is why most SYs ended up rejecting this mystical evidence also... (by defacto you could say.)
Okay... granted! The mystical evidence that these children gave as evidence of the veracity of Shri Mataji's Incarnation must have come as quite a shock to the ritual-steeped SY leaders/followers. Reason being that by then they were already so steeped and entrenched into the external subtle system knowledge and all its mental concepts that it had become "religious doctrine" in Sahaja Yoga. Yes... clearing and cleansing rituals had become religious doctrine that had to be followed.
What had actually happened is that the SY leadership/followers had concentrated pretty well exclusively on all the external subtle system knowledge that Shri Mataji had given and in spite of SM's urgings to SYs to "go deeper"... they had still stayed very focussed on all the external subtle system knowledge and clearing and cleansing rituals. Therefore, the mystical knowledge that these "special children" from Montreal, Canada gave... as evidence confirming Shri Mataji's Incarnation... was just too much for the SY leadership/followers.
The SY leadership just could not "cope" with it. After all... what does this mystical knowledge... this 'gnostic evidence given'... have in common with the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) which is a very externally based knowledge?
Therefore... i feel that the real reason why the SY leadership have dismissed the evidence given by these special children... is because the mystical knowledge that has been given... is so far beyond the external subtle system knowledge that they just cannot accept it. Not only that... but this mystical knowledge of the Adi Shakti Within (the Holy Spirit within) really does make the external knowledge of the subtle system and clearing practices quite insignificant too.
After all... "gnosis" is not something that can be externally applied like the subtle system knowledge can. That is because the mystical knowledge is an "internal knowledge". It is the "Union with the Divine Knowledge"... and no external subtle system knowledge nor external clearing and cleansing rituals can achieve that solely from external means. It can really only be achieved "from within"... "by going within". And that is what Shri Mataji tried to teach SYs... when She repeatedly told them that they needed to "go deeper".
i know this incident has quite faded from memory but please take
> your time and clarify if:
> i) SYs are to announce Her Divine Message;
> ii) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;
> iii) SYs and special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;
> iv) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message if
> SYs do not.
Jagbir... it is clear to me now that the "giving of evidence" is distinct from "the announcing of Her Message". Until now... i had thought that they were the one and the same, but I can see now that they are not the same. Even Shri Mataji made mention of both... separately from each other. Therefore, I can also see now that the SY leadership could have officially announced Her Message without the need to give any evidence of Her Incarnation whatsoever... as Shri Mataji had informed them that She had taken care of those details. The thing is... the SY leadership refused to accept the mystical evidence when it did come. Therefore, the question begs to be asked:
"What did the SY leadership/followers expect anyway? How could any evidence be anything but mystical? It had to be mystical evidence of the Divine Within all human beings that would be the "evidence" to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's Incarnation!"
Now... the sorry situation in the organization of Sahaja Yoga is that anyone that follows WCASY (World Council of SY Leadership) is not allowed to accept this mystical evidence that Shri Mataji has given through these "special children". Moreover... anyone who wants to announce Her Message officially... is now required to leave the organization of SY. In the final analysis... (just as Shri Mataji had warned back in 1993)... it is now "others from outside the organization of SY that are announcing Her Message."
> Given the evidence that the WCASY has edited Her Divine Message out
> of Sahaja Yoga and is now actively engaged in suppressing any SY or
> website that does not follow its official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle
> System Religion), it is of paramount importance to bear witness as
> to what Shri Mataji told SYs more than a decade ago at Sydney
> Airport, Australia. Future seekers will be able to draw great faith,
> courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that SM did tell of
> a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. You
> can help drive the final nail into the WCASY coffin.
Jagbir... i also trust that future seekers will be able to draw great faith, courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that Shri Mataji did tell of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her Incarnation. Although WCASY (and their followers) have rejected this great blessing... it is going out nonetheless. All seekers and future seekers will come to know about it, and neither WCASY or their followers can prevent Her Message from going out... just as Shri Mataji wanted it.
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