Who is Shri Adishakti? A reminder to all SYs against www.adishakti.org

From: mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 5:25 am
Subject: Who is Shri Adishakti?

Hello Dear Jagbir

In your new website > http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti, would not it be good to mention it there.

How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the truth .

Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti, which is Shri Mataji.

False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this site is all about them. You understand what I mean.

It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.

I for myself would never direct people to site which does not recognize Shri Mataji.

Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so, why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when she personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow irrespective of what our mind says?

I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be answered.

Mahesh


>
> which i will be populating over the next few months. Thus we now
> have three websites upholding the Divine Feminine of all religious
> traditions and Her Divine Message to humanity. We have exactly
> seven years from today to bring forth Satya Yuga into the
> consciousness of humanity. We can and will succeed this time.
>
> Jai Shri Ganapathi,
>
>
> jagbir


From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?

--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, mahesh khatri
<maheshkhatri@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dear Jagbir
>

Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right now, sitting on
the one-legged throne that is a marvel of stability and relief. And
i have just realized why laptops come at a premium. Like portable
potties they can go anywhere. But despite the initial joy of toilet
lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you my mood cautions
me to a after-relief response. The fact that this constipation is
entirely my fault will not work in your favor. Unlike your post I
can hardly blame you for what ails me.

But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel response i may be
inclined to spare some relief to you too ........ but don't count on
it because when i get constipated i really get CONSTIPATED, an
affliction that has the added misery of loneliness. And i am not
shouting because that would only aggravate my unfortunate condition.
I just want you to know for sure that i am CONSTIPATED and that you
may have to share my misery too. After all, what are SYs brothers
like you for if, and at risk of contradicting myself, the loneliness
of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be shared. Think of
micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove paint and rust.
Think coarseness, construction-site sand, abrasion and then me. It is
not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh.

> In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no mention
> of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one of the
> champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is Adishakti,
> could not it be good to mention it there.
>

FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is entirely about the Shakti
in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an incarnation of Her,
not the other way round. This new site will be for Her bhaktas the
world over who understand the Shakti far better than most SYs. i am
sure you do not want to bring them down to the mundane level of our
collectives.

And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri Mataji and Kundalini
awakening they have to be presented irrefutable evidence of the
Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical incarnation of
the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within will remain when Shri
Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a Divine
Personality that has departed? Will they meditate on someone who was
virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments of weaseling
management SYs? If you cannot understand this Mahesh then please
overcome your ignorance first. How about shoe beating yourself 108
times for starters? ............. and i mean your head, not ground.

> How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I have
> mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted to make
> a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or Shri
> Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not have a
> mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the truth .
>

The laymen you are talking about have more knowledge and faith. You
are just insulting their intelligence and devotion to the Shakti.

And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just reflects your
disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing control over marriage or
voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because Sohniya and Semira gave
you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your ego. But now it
looks like you are not going to stop and have left me no choice.

FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor intelligence to tell me
what to do. If you think the two websites have not done enough to
proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please make your own.
...... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev too. And then let us
have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard dogs because it is
our nature to react to anything we cannot recognize as friendly,
gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local collective of the
same accusations and charges i am guilty of.


> Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this site a
> Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of Adishakti,
> which is Shri Mataji.
>

Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites are kosher? Do you
really think it is important that we defer to your judgment? Is it
possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego that makes you
occasionally chew more than you can swallow?

> False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that this
> site is all about them. You understand what I mean.
>

No, i don't understand what you mean. For SYs almost every guru is
false, ever ready to steal the limelight from Shri Mataji. Never in
my life I have come across more ignorance and paranoia.

And i only posted a homepage to mark February 21, 2006 i.e., seven
years to Satya Yuga. It will take me months before i can start
working on it and already you are barking at me. Mahesh, do you
really follow what is going on or is it just your nature to find
faults? Did you not read that "i will be populating over the next
few months"? Do you understand what i am saying or are you
translating that into Hinglish? Then "i will be populating over the
next few months" would mean "i will be producing children over the
months". If that is the case then you have my apologies and sympathy
too. i can be generous at times like this because i blame the
British for your present predicament. Needles to say, i am happy to
have learnt a dominant international language. Unlike you, i do
understand it quite well.

> It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.
>

i would be compelled to totally agreed with you here ..............
But i am neither half as dumb nor paranoid as you are, ....... since
Secondary 3. Is this reaction the result of years of footsoaking?

> I for myself would never direct people to site which does not
> recognize Shri Mataji.
>

Please come down from that lofty ivory tower you are living in and
feel the Earth. Perhaps the ground i walk on during my daily night-
soil rounds and the stench of carrying the waste of humanity may
humble you. That experience is so powerfully intoxicating that
humans forget that it is possible to breathe through their mouths
and thus escape the smell. Instead they instinctively cover but
still breathe through their noses, a useless ritual that makes no
sense to a night-soil carrier like me. (But that is not the reason i
am against external cleansing rituals, just in case you want to
crucify me on this presumption in your next post.)

> Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked you to
> pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for print. If so,
> why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri Mataji's word
> is her command. So if she says anything why is it not taken heed
> of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when she
> personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to follow
> irrespective of what our mind says?
>

Actually i am quite tired of regurgitating this, constipated as i
am, but will since you seem to have selective amnesia. i suspect
this to be true as i know i have explained this a number of times on
the forum. Yet you keep forgetting it Mahesh?

So here we go again.

As far as i am concerned the Shakti within overrides everything
EVERYTHING! She was approached first to write a book before i asked
the same from Shri Mataji (and vibrations are flowing freely from my
Sahasarara as i write).

Shri Mataji approved the book a number of times but management SYs
were against it, starting with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan. Ever
since the initial permission was approved no leader or SY ever
approached me to help, even till today. Hardly had Shri Mataji given
Her permission again in Toronto September 18, 1997 that i received a
phone call that SYs will not endorse it. They just did not agree
with Shri Mataji and made their displeasure known. (Maybe you should
confirm with Steve Gulati from Toronto if he phoned me to that
effect. Let me know if he denies.)

At the end of 1999 i uploaded the entire book and made it available
online. The management SYs went into a frenzy of fear and
apprehension. i think i better use your imaginary "beginning of
chaos and disaster" because they were as frightened then as you are
now. Yes, they believed the Truth will be the beginning of chaos and
disaster for Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga. Leaders tried to bring
down the site by hinting i will be expelled by Shri Mataji. i told
them i would be more than willing to leave but will not close the
web site. And none of them were able to obtain Shri Mataji's
permission to shut it down.

So what is to be done next? Take the book to Shri Mataji again to
see if they can remotely capitalize on any of Her words. And this is
their evidence:


"Subject: RE: Editing of book
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400
From: "Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumar@...>
To: "'Jagbir Singh'" <jagbir@...>,
"'Arun Goel'" <mother@...>
CC: "Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumar@...>


Dear Jagbir,

I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India. She spent
almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was very
pleased with the book and especially with your effort in compiling
the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing. She
asked me to convey to you "Tell Jagbir now to leave it to Her".
She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4 volumes
because the print is very small in its existing format which will be
made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested that since
it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's free
availability from the web.

You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was present at
the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further status.
Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come to
Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is
mother@.... <mailto:mother@...>

!jai Shri Mataji!


Your brother,


Manoj"



Ever since this email i have removed its free availability and left
the publishing entirely to Her. The www.adishakti.org website is
only based, and i must emphasize "based", on what is originally
written. On the contrary, i have added substantial information from
further revelations of the Shakti within. Today there is an
additional 900 pages of information containing vital facts that is
not in the original book. Publishing the original works without the
further revelations will render it incomplete. Had i not continued
working and writing vital information would have been missing. (Do
not forget that i will be working 24/7 at least till early 2013 to
just give you a vague idea of how many more web pages will be added.)

So who are you Mahesh to tell me that i disobeyed Her? What has
www.adishakti.org got to do with publishing the book? What has
telling Muslims at www.al-qiyamah.org got to do with hoping they
purchase commercial copies in order to know the Truth that the
Resurrection is taking place? Did Shri Krishna or Jesus or Guru
Nanak or Prophet Muhammad sell the Truth for a profit? Did they
allow the management of the Truth by mere mortals as done by WCASY?

So are you by any chance telling me that the Truth must be sold for
a profit, not declared freely? Is this the opinion of your Toronto
collective, management SYs or WCASY? Do all of you want Shri Mataji
to only sell the Truth and forbid its free distribution? Are you
implying that Shri Mataji is disappointed that She will not profit,
now since my web sites are based on portions of the book?

But management SYs did think so and approached Shri Mataji yet
again, complaining that the websites are not closed. They thought
Shri Mataji wanted the entire website to be closed. They were
desperately trying to find a way to induce Her, and no stone was
left unturned to elicit the faintest of disapproval. Mahesh, i am
now regurgitating it yet again what leaders/management SYs heard:

SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.

Is that loud and clear enough for you to see and read?

And i have witnesses to the fact that Shri Mataji is pleased with
the websites. The person is close to Shri Mataji but does not want
to be quoted because that will not go down well with WCASY. That is
why the Inquisytion need fools like you to do their dirty work.

And the Shakti within is happy with the websites too, even
discussing them with my son Arwinder. Unlike Her incarnation Shri
Mataji Nirmala Devi the Shakti within knows everything that is going
on. So we have both Shaktis approving of the web sites. Are They to
defer to your better judgment Mahesh? or of management SYs? of WCASY?

> I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be answered.
>
> Mahesh
>

i am sorry too that i had to dice and reduce you to bite-size
souvlaki sizes. Just last year you attacked me with that
unpredictable whim of yours. Then you swallowed back your
allegations after i provided evidence you had agreed to the point
all along. This time you don't have to retract because i know you
will bark up the wrong tree again in future. So don't insult
yourself by apologizing. All you need next time is to get your amour
checked before riding that high horse. i am not that forgiving of
murmuring souls who attack my children, family or myself .........
even after having a happy ending to that immobilizing constipation.
i now have more respect of my bowels. i definitely cannot say the
same of you.

just let sleeping junkyard dogs like me lie in peace,


jagbir



From: mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [adishakti_sahaja_yoga] Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?

Thanks for your erruption. I am sorry to say I am not used to taking all these nonsense. and specially from you. I have great regards for you nevertheless.

Take care.

Mahesh

By the way I am leaving your group before you ban me. This group is definitely not sahaj.


From: "Violet" <violet.tubb@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 5:28 am
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?

Dear Mahesh,

Jagir does not tell 'Non-Sense'. In fact everything he tells 'Makes-Sense', and if it does not 'Make-Sense' to you, you can always ask for clarification.

What does NOT 'Make-Sense' to me is your words and actions. You have come to this forum with your usual assortment of 'fixed opinions' (noticingly always against someone else, other than yourself). You have (without good reason) declared this not to be a 'Sahaj' Forum, (reminiscent of some other folks we know), when it clearly is, and you have insulted Jagbir, and then you dare to say that you have REGARD for him???!!! (Maybe you do, but you sure have a funny way of showing it!)

Then, what do i read next???!!! JAGBIR has an eruption???!!!

My dear Mahesh, i have some BAD news for you. The fact is that the person with the 'eruption' is yourself. Everyone else here is enjoying the forum, but i don't understand what has happened to you??? i must say that i am quite disappointed in you, because i thought that you had more spiritual depth than i have witnessed in these last two days.

Violet



From: Ajay Agarwal <ajay_msh@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 5:09 am
Subject: Re: [adishakti_sahaja_yoga] Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?

Hello Mahesh,

Hope that you must have learn something now. I request
you not to involved in too much of "this and that".
Whatever you are saying is meaningless.

You are SY... try to be a sahajyogi...This forum is
really good with SY's like Jagbirji , violetji..and
others...

This forum , will not only help the SY like you and me
to advance in sahaj ..but they will also guide us to
become a real SY (which i must say i am not till
date..I dont know about you).

Be content, and have a respect for everyone
irrespective of whether a person is SY or non-SY.

I think, from now onwards , you will not waste your
time & effort in raising the needless point, but
rather than u will use your energy in gaining some
positive knowledge and attitude.

Take care

-Ajay.


From: "Balwinder" <balwinderdr@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 11:12 am
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?

It all boils down to being responsible for what you write - if what
is written is the truth, then no one can question it.Mahesh is not
the first SYogi and will not be the last to write without giving due
diligence to what he is writing/assuming/accusing.

I have come across my fair share of SY bro/sis who will
assume/presume/accuse/ and/or have a personal illusion about someone
or some topic and make serious allegations which in the real world
would be considered slander and subject to litigation.

The most disturbing aspect of this habit is that it is pure
heresay/assumption upon which their allegations are made and can
really destroy a person's/group's/organisation's reputation.When
confronted with evidence, they will either give all sorts of excuses
and when their excuses are also exposed for what they are , they
will stop corresponding/talking without admitting the grave mistake
and say we leave it to the Divine.It defies logic as to why they did
not leave it to the Divine from the very beginning which would have
been the best thing to do (although i believe strongly that God
helps those who help themselves).

If only SYogis could be more responsible when accusing each other of
something and more important if not the most important is being able
to defend their stand (an added bonus would be defending it without
being emotional), a lot of repeat/non-relevant issues would not have
surfaced in the first place and those that were brought up would
have been solved once and for all.It is also very important to own
up for our actions because some have a habit of hiding and shooting
from another's shoulder (a literal translation of a Hindi proverb "kisi aur ke kande se bandook chalana").

We can all judge for ourselves what is nonsense and what is not and
so do most SYs know what is Sahaj and what is not - if a person
makes a wrong judgement it will only reflect on themselves. Mahesh
had started the debate and the moderator/Jagbir allowed his post.
IMHO Jagbir responded in the manner that he did with the knowledge
that Mahesh (who has been on the forum for more than a year at least)
knows quite well what is going on and how dedicated Jagbir is to the
Adishakti.

It is hoped that SYogis will learn to
- first not jump to conclusions and
- even if they have, they should verify their facts before they
write/talk about it and
- last but most importantly be able to defend their actions [not to
be read as arguing with each other and/or having an agnya catch ;-
) ].It is the most easy and also most cowardly thing to throw a
stone and run away (not to be translated and read here as encouraging
SYs to argue).

regards

Balwinder
 

 

From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:50 pm
Subject: Who is Shri Adishakti? A reminder to all SYs against www.adishakti.org

--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Balwinder" <balwinderdr@...>
wrote:
>
> We can all judge for ourselves what is nonsense and what is not
> and so do most SYs know what is Sahaj and what is not - if a
> person makes a wrong judgement it will only reflect on themselves.
> Mahesh had started the debate and the moderator/Jagbir allowed his
> post. IMHO Jagbir responded in the manner that he did with the
> knowledge that Mahesh(who has been on the forum for more than a
> year at least) knows quite well what is going on and how dedicated
> Jagbir is to the Adishakti.
>

Balwinder, Mahesh had communicated with me a number of times from
India and asked about immigrating to Canada. i wholeheartedly
encouraged him. And he was successful in 2005.

Mahesh came to my house last year as he wanted to purchase a digital
Nikon from a Montreal dealer whom he met at a Toronto camera show.
Prior to that i told him to stay at my place, instead of a hotel.

Over dinner he brought out the same "book/why you did not obey Her"
topic. i explained to him but was really uneasy as there was a hint
of anger in his voice. i told him too that Shri Mataji told
management SYs to leave me alone. (He knows the whole story well.)

He went back to Toronto and out of the blue attacked me on the
cleansing rituals. (At that time i realized that despite my all my
hospitality he still harbors the deep resentment and jealousy that
had its origins years before he ever knew me. It is a festering
wound those influenced by Yogi Mahajan and his murmuring souls have
in common. Such wounds just do not heal, so powerful is the
negativity unleashed by this ex-world leader.)

That is when i pointed that he was only contradicting his own
previously stated opinion, and provided evidence. Mahesh had just
lashed for no reason, his judgment clouded by the pain of that
festering wound. After all his hometown Bombay is not far from Yogi
Mahajan's Pune, the center of gravity and grovel to all who paid
obeisance to that undisputed lord of influence and Inquisytion.

SYs like Mahesh are fixated on the false presumption that Shri
Mataji wanted the sites removed, and that i did not obey Her. Even
providing them evidence hardly changes their mindset because that is
what management SYs and WCASY wants the rank and file to believe.
That is why Mahesh brought up the issue yet again, despite knowing
all the details.

So what can we do with such people? i would gladly have answered his
normal queries but he brought up the book/website issue yet again. i
thought to myself: "When will he stop?" and knew his intention was
to peck open my old wound, perhaps a pleasure enjoyed by those who
goad such fools.

Mahesh just continued from where he left in Montreal, unhappy and
unable to bear the disappointment that Shri Mahamaya allowed a
loophole for Jagbir to continue unhindered. Like management SYs,
leaders and WCASY, he is just as frustrated that the websites are
not shut down. They are all fixated on this issue despite years and
just cannot get over it and move on.

So when such negativity attacks again and again you have to come out
of the witness state and completely demolish it once and for all.
Mahesh is going to lick those wounds for a long time. The same fate
awaits all those against Her Divine Message, my children, family or
myself. As i have told Simon and JN: "i make a good friend but a far
better enemy." The same goes for Mahesh too.

After 10 years of enduring repetitive insults to a night-soil
carrier like me the sh*t i am forced to throw back can be
physically, never mentally, cleaned. Before attacking me they should
know what was told years ago to those with the same agenda:

SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.

So let sleeping night-soil carriers like me lie in peace. i need it
to complete the job i was assigned by the Shakti. No management SY
or World Council member will ever be able to stop Her bhaktas from
declaring the Divine Message to humanity. Ultimately only Truth and
those upholding it against all odds and tribulations will triumph.

jagbir


 

 


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