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Who is Shri Adishakti? A
reminder to all SYs against www.adishakti.org
From: mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 5:25 am
Subject: Who is Shri Adishakti?
Hello Dear Jagbir
In your new website > http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no
mention of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are
one of the champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that
She is Adishakti, would not it be good to mention it there.
How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I
have mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he
wanted to make a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning
Sahaja yoga or Shri Mataji, Your site does the same exactly
if it does not have a mention of who is adishakti. We dont
need to hide the truth .
Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this
site a Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form
of Adishakti, which is Shri Mataji.
False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say that
this site is all about them. You understand what I mean.
It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.
I for myself would never direct people to site which does
not recognize Shri Mataji.
Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked
you to pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for
print. If so, why is the site still continuing to be online?
Shri Mataji's word is her command. So if she says anything
why is it not taken heed of. Are not you disobeying her? She
is Adishakti and when she personally expressed her desire
are we not supposed to follow irrespective of what our mind
says?
I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be
answered.
Mahesh
>
> which i will be populating over the next few months. Thus
we now
> have three websites upholding the Divine Feminine of all
religious
> traditions and Her Divine Message to humanity. We have
exactly
> seven years from today to bring forth Satya Yuga into the
> consciousness of humanity. We can and will succeed this
time.
>
> Jai Shri Ganapathi,
>
>
> jagbir
From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, mahesh khatri
<maheshkhatri@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dear Jagbir
>
Hello too Mahesh. Actually i am constipated right now,
sitting on
the one-legged throne that is a marvel of stability and
relief. And
i have just realized why laptops come at a premium. Like
portable
potties they can go anywhere. But despite the initial joy of
toilet
lap topping for the first time i cannot assure you my mood
cautions
me to a after-relief response. The fact that this
constipation is
entirely my fault will not work in your favor. Unlike your
post I
can hardly blame you for what ails me.
But if i finish this mail with a relieved bowel response i
may be
inclined to spare some relief to you too ........ but don't
count on
it because when i get constipated i really get CONSTIPATED,
an
affliction that has the added misery of loneliness. And i am
not
shouting because that would only aggravate my unfortunate
condition.
I just want you to know for sure that i am CONSTIPATED and
that you
may have to share my misery too. After all, what are SYs
brothers
like you for if, and at risk of contradicting myself, the
loneliness
of constricted pain in narrow channels cannot be shared.
Think of
micro 1320 sandpaper, the coarsest grade to remove paint and
rust.
Think coarseness, construction-site sand, abrasion and then
me. It is
not going to be a good day for both of us Mahesh.
> In your new website http://www.adi-shakti.org/ there is no
mention
> of her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. As you are one
of the
> champions in declaring Shri Mataji's dictat that She is
Adishakti,
> could not it be good to mention it there.
>
FYI, the new www.adi-shakti.org website is entirely about
the Shakti
in the Sahasrara. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is an incarnation
of Her,
not the other way round. This new site will be for Her
bhaktas the
world over who understand the Shakti far better than most
SYs. i am
sure you do not want to bring them down to the mundane level
of our
collectives.
And if Her bhaktas are going to believe in Shri Mataji and
Kundalini
awakening they have to be presented irrefutable evidence of
the
Shakti within. Shri Mataji is a temporary physical
incarnation of
the eternal Adi Shakti. Only the Shakti within will remain
when Shri
Mataji attains Mahasamadhi. Will they believe in a Divine
Personality that has departed? Will they meditate on someone
who was
virtually unknown outside SYs circles, compliments of
weaseling
management SYs? If you cannot understand this Mahesh then
please
overcome your ignorance first. How about shoe beating
yourself 108
times for starters? ............. and i mean your head, not
ground.
> How would the layman know what you are talking about. As I
have
> mentioned in my earlier post to Mr. Rajeev when he wanted
to make
> a presentation of Sahaj without mentioning Sahaja yoga or
Shri
> Mataji, Your site does the same exactly if it does not
have a
> mention of who is adishakti. We dont need to hide the
truth .
>
The laymen you are talking about have more knowledge and
faith. You
are just insulting their intelligence and devotion to the
Shakti.
And your post to Mr. Rajeev was uncalled for and just
reflects your
disgust for gifted musicians, women wishing control over
marriage or
voicing their opinion. i kept quiet because Sohniya and
Semira gave
you a piece of their mind and badly bruised your ego. But
now it
looks like you are not going to stop and have left me no
choice.
FYI Mahesh, you neither have the right nor intelligence to
tell me
what to do. If you think the two websites have not done
enough to
proclaim Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti then please make your
own.
...... and learn to play music like Mr. Rajeev too. And then
let us
have the pleasure of barking at you like junkyard dogs
because it is
our nature to react to anything we cannot recognize as
friendly,
gifted or intelligent. And please blast your local
collective of the
same accusations and charges i am guilty of.
> Whatever justification you may give, I would not call this
site a
> Sahaja site if it does not recognize the Sakaar Form of
Adishakti,
> which is Shri Mataji.
>
Mahesh, who needs your certification that sites are kosher?
Do you
really think it is important that we defer to your judgment?
Is it
possible to deflate that huge balloon of an ego that makes
you
occasionally chew more than you can swallow?
> False Gurus who claim themselves as Adishakti would say
that this
> site is all about them. You understand what I mean.
>
No, i don't understand what you mean. For SYs almost every
guru is
false, ever ready to steal the limelight from Shri Mataji.
Never in
my life I have come across more ignorance and paranoia.
And i only posted a homepage to mark February 21, 2006 i.e.,
seven
years to Satya Yuga. It will take me months before i can
start
working on it and already you are barking at me. Mahesh, do
you
really follow what is going on or is it just your nature to
find
faults? Did you not read that "i will be populating over the
next
few months"? Do you understand what i am saying or are you
translating that into Hinglish? Then "i will be populating
over the
next few months" would mean "i will be producing children
over the
months". If that is the case then you have my apologies and
sympathy
too. i can be generous at times like this because i blame
the
British for your present predicament. Needles to say, i am
happy to
have learnt a dominant international language. Unlike you, i
do
understand it quite well.
> It would well mean the beginning of chaos and disaster.
>
i would be compelled to totally agreed with you here
..............
But i am neither half as dumb nor paranoid as you are,
....... since
Secondary 3. Is this reaction the result of years of
footsoaking?
> I for myself would never direct people to site which does
not
> recognize Shri Mataji.
>
Please come down from that lofty ivory tower you are living
in and
feel the Earth. Perhaps the ground i walk on during my daily
night-
soil rounds and the stench of carrying the waste of humanity
may
humble you. That experience is so powerfully intoxicating
that
humans forget that it is possible to breathe through their
mouths
and thus escape the smell. Instead they instinctively cover
but
still breathe through their noses, a useless ritual that
makes no
sense to a night-soil carrier like me. (But that is not the
reason i
am against external cleansing rituals, just in case you want
to
crucify me on this presumption in your next post.)
> Also I have a question. Is it true that Shri Mataji asked
you to
> pull down the adishakti.org before the book goes for
print. If so,
> why is the site still continuing to be online? Shri
Mataji's word
> is her command. So if she says anything why is it not
taken heed
> of. Are not you disobeying her? She is Adishakti and when
she
> personally expressed her desire are we not supposed to
follow
> irrespective of what our mind says?
>
Actually i am quite tired of regurgitating this, constipated
as i
am, but will since you seem to have selective amnesia. i
suspect
this to be true as i know i have explained this a number of
times on
the forum. Yet you keep forgetting it Mahesh?
So here we go again.
As far as i am concerned the Shakti within overrides
everything –
EVERYTHING! She was approached first to write a book before
i asked
the same from Shri Mataji (and vibrations are flowing freely
from my
Sahasarara as i write).
Shri Mataji approved the book a number of times but
management SYs
were against it, starting with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan.
Ever
since the initial permission was approved no leader or SY
ever
approached me to help, even till today. Hardly had Shri
Mataji given
Her permission again in Toronto September 18, 1997 that i
received a
phone call that SYs will not endorse it. They just did not
agree
with Shri Mataji and made their displeasure known. (Maybe
you should
confirm with Steve Gulati from Toronto if he phoned me to
that
effect. Let me know if he denies.)
At the end of 1999 i uploaded the entire book and made it
available
online. The management SYs went into a frenzy of fear and
apprehension. i think i better use your imaginary "beginning
of
chaos and disaster" because they were as frightened then as
you are
now. Yes, they believed the Truth will be the beginning of
chaos and
disaster for Shri Mataji and Sahaja Yoga. Leaders tried to
bring
down the site by hinting i will be expelled by Shri Mataji.
i told
them i would be more than willing to leave but will not
close the
web site. And none of them were able to obtain Shri Mataji's
permission to shut it down.
So what is to be done next? Take the book to Shri Mataji
again to
see if they can remotely capitalize on any of Her words. And
this is
their evidence:
"Subject: RE: Editing of book
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400
From: "Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumar@...>
To: "'Jagbir Singh'" <jagbir@...>,
"'Arun Goel'" <mother@...>
CC: "Kumar, Manoj (MMRX)" <manoj_kumar@...>
Dear Jagbir,
I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India.
She spent
almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was
very
pleased with the book and especially with your effort in
compiling
the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing.
She
asked me to convey to you "Tell Jagbir now to leave it to
Her".
She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4
volumes
because the print is very small in its existing format which
will be
made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested
that since
it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's
free
availability from the web.
You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was
present at
the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further
status.
Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come
to
Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is
mother@.... <mailto:mother@...>
!jai Shri Mataji!
Your brother,
Manoj"
Ever since this email i have removed its free availability
and left
the publishing entirely to Her. The www.adishakti.org
website is
only based, and i must emphasize "based", on what is
originally
written. On the contrary, i have added substantial
information from
further revelations of the Shakti within. Today there is an
additional 900 pages of information containing vital facts
that is
not in the original book. Publishing the original works
without the
further revelations will render it incomplete. Had i not
continued
working and writing vital information would have been
missing. (Do
not forget that i will be working 24/7 at least till early
2013 to
just give you a vague idea of how many more web pages will
be added.)
So who are you Mahesh to tell me that i disobeyed Her? What
has
www.adishakti.org got to do with publishing the book? What
has
telling Muslims at www.al-qiyamah.org got to do with hoping
they
purchase commercial copies in order to know the Truth that
the
Resurrection is taking place? Did Shri Krishna or Jesus or
Guru
Nanak or Prophet Muhammad sell the Truth for a profit? Did
they
allow the management of the Truth by mere mortals as done by
WCASY?
So are you by any chance telling me that the Truth must be
sold for
a profit, not declared freely? Is this the opinion of your
Toronto
collective, management SYs or WCASY? Do all of you want Shri
Mataji
to only sell the Truth and forbid its free distribution? Are
you
implying that Shri Mataji is disappointed that She will not
profit,
now since my web sites are based on portions of the book?
But management SYs did think so and approached Shri Mataji
yet
again, complaining that the websites are not closed. They
thought
Shri Mataji wanted the entire website to be closed. They
were
desperately trying to find a way to induce Her, and no stone
was
left unturned to elicit the faintest of disapproval. Mahesh,
i am
now regurgitating it yet again what leaders/management SYs
heard:
SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT
THEY SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.
Is that loud and clear enough for you to see and read?
And i have witnesses to the fact that Shri Mataji is pleased
with
the websites. The person is close to Shri Mataji but does
not want
to be quoted because that will not go down well with WCASY.
That is
why the Inquisytion need fools like you to do their dirty
work.
And the Shakti within is happy with the websites too, even
discussing them with my son Arwinder. Unlike Her incarnation
Shri
Mataji Nirmala Devi the Shakti within knows everything that
is going
on. So we have both Shaktis approving of the web sites. Are
They to
defer to your better judgment Mahesh? or of management SYs?
of WCASY?
> I am sorry for raising the question, but it needs to be
answered.
>
> Mahesh
>
i am sorry too that i had to dice and reduce you to
bite-size
souvlaki sizes. Just last year you attacked me with that
unpredictable whim of yours. Then you swallowed back your
allegations after i provided evidence you had agreed to the
point
all along. This time you don't have to retract because i
know you
will bark up the wrong tree again in future. So don't insult
yourself by apologizing. All you need next time is to get
your amour
checked before riding that high horse. i am not that
forgiving of
murmuring souls who attack my children, family or myself
.........
even after having a happy ending to that immobilizing
constipation.
i now have more respect of my bowels. i definitely cannot
say the
same of you.
just let sleeping junkyard dogs like me lie in peace,
jagbir
From: mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [adishakti_sahaja_yoga] Re: Who is Shri
Adishakti?
Thanks for your erruption. I am sorry to say I am not used
to taking all these nonsense. and specially from you. I have
great regards for you nevertheless.
Take care.
Mahesh
By the way I am leaving your group before you ban me. This
group is definitely not sahaj.
From: "Violet" <violet.tubb@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 5:28 am
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?
Dear Mahesh,
Jagir does not tell 'Non-Sense'. In fact everything he tells
'Makes-Sense', and if it does not 'Make-Sense' to you, you
can always ask for clarification.
What does NOT 'Make-Sense' to me is your words and actions.
You have come to this forum with your usual assortment of
'fixed opinions' (noticingly always against someone else,
other than yourself). You have (without good reason)
declared this not to be a 'Sahaj' Forum, (reminiscent of
some other folks we know), when it clearly is, and you have
insulted Jagbir, and then you dare to say that you have
REGARD for him???!!! (Maybe you do, but you sure have a
funny way of showing it!)
Then, what do i read next???!!! JAGBIR has an eruption???!!!
My dear Mahesh, i have some BAD news for you. The fact is
that the person with the 'eruption' is yourself. Everyone
else here is enjoying the forum, but i don't understand what
has happened to you??? i must say that i am quite
disappointed in you, because i thought that you had more
spiritual depth than i have witnessed in these last two
days.
Violet
From: Ajay Agarwal <ajay_msh@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 5:09 am
Subject: Re: [adishakti_sahaja_yoga] Re: Who is Shri
Adishakti?
Hello Mahesh,
Hope that you must have learn something now. I request
you not to involved in too much of "this and that".
Whatever you are saying is meaningless.
You are SY... try to be a sahajyogi...This forum is
really good with SY's like Jagbirji , violetji..and
others...
This forum , will not only help the SY like you and me
to advance in sahaj ..but they will also guide us to
become a real SY (which i must say i am not till
date..I dont know about you).
Be content, and have a respect for everyone
irrespective of whether a person is SY or non-SY.
I think, from now onwards , you will not waste your
time & effort in raising the needless point, but
rather than u will use your energy in gaining some
positive knowledge and attitude.
Take care
-Ajay.
From: "Balwinder" <balwinderdr@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 11:12 am
Subject: Re: Who is Shri Adishakti?
It all boils down to being responsible for what you write -
if what
is written is the truth, then no one can question it.Mahesh
is not
the first SYogi and will not be the last to write without
giving due
diligence to what he is writing/assuming/accusing.
I have come across my fair share of SY bro/sis who will
assume/presume/accuse/ and/or have a personal illusion about
someone
or some topic and make serious allegations which in the real
world
would be considered slander and subject to litigation.
The most disturbing aspect of this habit is that it is pure
heresay/assumption upon which their allegations are made and
can
really destroy a person's/group's/organisation's
reputation.When
confronted with evidence, they will either give all sorts of
excuses
and when their excuses are also exposed for what they are ,
they
will stop corresponding/talking without admitting the grave
mistake
and say we leave it to the Divine.It defies logic as to why
they did
not leave it to the Divine from the very beginning which
would have
been the best thing to do (although i believe strongly that
God
helps those who help themselves).
If only SYogis could be more responsible when accusing each
other of
something and more important if not the most important is
being able
to defend their stand (an added bonus would be defending it
without
being emotional), a lot of repeat/non-relevant issues would
not have
surfaced in the first place and those that were brought up
would
have been solved once and for all.It is also very important
to own
up for our actions because some have a habit of hiding and
shooting
from another's shoulder (a literal translation of a Hindi
proverb "kisi aur ke kande se bandook chalana").
We can all judge for ourselves what is nonsense and what is
not and
so do most SYs know what is Sahaj and what is not - if a
person
makes a wrong judgement it will only reflect on themselves.
Mahesh
had started the debate and the moderator/Jagbir allowed his
post.
IMHO Jagbir responded in the manner that he did with the
knowledge
that Mahesh (who has been on the forum for more than a year
at least)
knows quite well what is going on and how dedicated Jagbir
is to the
Adishakti.
It is hoped that SYogis will learn to
- first not jump to conclusions and
- even if they have, they should verify their facts before
they
write/talk about it and
- last but most importantly be able to defend their actions
[not to
be read as arguing with each other and/or having an agnya
catch ;-
) ].It is the most easy and also most cowardly thing to
throw a
stone and run away (not to be translated and read here as
encouraging
SYs to argue).
regards
Balwinder
From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:50 pm
Subject: Who is Shri Adishakti? A reminder to all SYs
against www.adishakti.org
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Balwinder" <balwinderdr@...>
wrote:
>
> We can all judge for ourselves what is nonsense and what
is not
> and so do most SYs know what is Sahaj and what is not - if
a
> person makes a wrong judgement it will only reflect on
themselves.
> Mahesh had started the debate and the moderator/Jagbir
allowed his
> post. IMHO Jagbir responded in the manner that he did with
the
> knowledge that Mahesh(who has been on the forum for more
than a
> year at least) knows quite well what is going on and how
dedicated
> Jagbir is to the Adishakti.
>
Balwinder, Mahesh had communicated with me a number of times
from
India and asked about immigrating to Canada. i
wholeheartedly
encouraged him. And he was successful in 2005.
Mahesh came to my house last year as he wanted to purchase a
digital
Nikon from a Montreal dealer whom he met at a Toronto camera
show.
Prior to that i told him to stay at my place, instead of a
hotel.
Over dinner he brought out the same "book/why you did not
obey Her"
topic. i explained to him but was really uneasy as there was
a hint
of anger in his voice. i told him too that Shri Mataji told
management SYs to leave me alone. (He knows the whole story
well.)
He went back to Toronto and out of the blue attacked me on
the
cleansing rituals. (At that time i realized that despite my
all my
hospitality he still harbors the deep resentment and
jealousy that
had its origins years before he ever knew me. It is a
festering
wound those influenced by Yogi Mahajan and his murmuring
souls have
in common. Such wounds just do not heal, so powerful is the
negativity unleashed by this ex-world leader.)
That is when i pointed that he was only contradicting his
own
previously stated opinion, and provided evidence. Mahesh had
just
lashed for no reason, his judgment clouded by the pain of
that
festering wound. After all his hometown Bombay is not far
from Yogi
Mahajan's Pune, the center of gravity and grovel to all who
paid
obeisance to that undisputed lord of influence and
Inquisytion.
SYs like Mahesh are fixated on the false presumption that
Shri
Mataji wanted the sites removed, and that i did not obey
Her. Even
providing them evidence hardly changes their mindset because
that is
what management SYs and WCASY wants the rank and file to
believe.
That is why Mahesh brought up the issue yet again, despite
knowing
all the details.
So what can we do with such people? i would gladly have
answered his
normal queries but he brought up the book/website issue yet
again. i
thought to myself: "When will he stop?" and knew his
intention was
to peck open my old wound, perhaps a pleasure enjoyed by
those who
goad such fools.
Mahesh just continued from where he left in Montreal,
unhappy and
unable to bear the disappointment that Shri Mahamaya allowed
a
loophole for Jagbir to continue unhindered. Like management
SYs,
leaders and WCASY, he is just as frustrated that the
websites are
not shut down. They are all fixated on this issue despite
years and
just cannot get over it and move on.
So when such negativity attacks again and again you have to
come out
of the witness state and completely demolish it once and for
all.
Mahesh is going to lick those wounds for a long time. The
same fate
awaits all those against Her Divine Message, my children,
family or
myself. As i have told Simon and JN: "i make a good friend
but a far
better enemy." The same goes for Mahesh too.
After 10 years of enduring repetitive insults to a
night-soil
carrier like me the sh*t i am forced to throw back can be
physically, never mentally, cleaned. Before attacking me
they should
know what was told years ago to those with the same agenda:
SHRI MATAJI TOLD THEM I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT
THEY SHOULD LEAVE ME ALONE.
So let sleeping night-soil carriers like me lie in peace. i
need it
to complete the job i was assigned by the Shakti. No
management SY
or World Council member will ever be able to stop Her
bhaktas from
declaring the Divine Message to humanity. Ultimately only
Truth and
those upholding it against all odds and tribulations will
triumph.
jagbir
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